• Dudewitbow@lemmy.zipEnglish
      100·
      25 days ago

      some people misinterpret “freedom of speech” meaning universal freedom of speech. all it mandates is that the government isn’t going to punish you for saying shit. It does not protect a person if other people punish them for saying shit.

      • partial_accumen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        761·
        25 days ago

        Another way to say that is: Freedom of speech isn’t freedom from consequences your speech elicits in others.

          • masterofn001@lemmy.caEnglish
            43·
            25 days ago

            I have written a memorandum that punching of nazis shall not be prosecuted if the person punching a Nazi is a sitting anyone.

            I have also decreed that, by the laws of there no longer being laws, you may also slap, kick, purple nurple, spit on, or cause them to cry for mommy in any way seen fit in the process of de-nazification

      • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        25 days ago

        You also aren’t entitled to a platform. A website not letting you post something isn’t about “freedom of speech.”

    • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.caEnglish
      7·
      25 days ago

      My bet is it’s a trick to justify themselves to their dumbass fanbase later on. “They censored us for years, now we’re in power it’s only fair that we get to arrest people who criticize us!”

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    1137·
    24 days ago

    (Actual conversation)

    Freedom loving conservative™: Speak your mind it’s your right to say things even if it offends people

    Me: The 50k dead Palestinian civilians won’t bring back the dead Israelis from Oct 7th

    Freedom loving conservative™: HOW DARE YOU, YOU ARE A TERRORIST SYMPATHISER AND YOU DESERVE TO BE DEPORTED, THAT SORT OF SPEECH SHOULD BE BANNED

      • Kintarian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        25 days ago

        Let’s see, the conservative Christian right just voted in a nasacistic tyrant twice. They want to declare America as a Christian country. They want to abolish the separation of church and state. They want to teach creationism in schools. They want LGBT to register as sex offenders. They want to remove books from schools and libraries they don’t like. They want to immediately execute every death row inmate. I’m not sure why I’m pissed at conservatives.

  • Zier@fedia.io
    601·
    24 days ago

    When conservatives whine at you like this, just remind them that they are in a cult. When they get mad at you, accuse them if ‘censoring’ your free speech.

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      34·
      24 days ago

      Go further than that, tell them they’re mindless sheep, that they’re cucks to the ruling class, that they fall in line to whoever makes them feel good and don’t have an independant bone in their body. Remind them that Trump had 4 years with full control and accomplished zero of his promises, and that they’re idiots for falling for the same trick. Remind them that they’re the loud, stupid, obnoxious ones who have to be placated by the world or they throw a tantrum. Tell them when Trump dies nobody will remember the people who supported him and nobody will help his followers when they’re in trouble.

      Seriously, we have to take gloves off and find ways to hurt them on a deeply personal level. Because we should have been doing this from the start. Because it’s all they really understand.

      • travysh@lemm.eeEnglish
        12·
        24 days ago

        I told a former schoolmate that he was acting like a snowflake and he lost his freaking mind. I expected it to bug him but holy crap.

        • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          24 days ago

          This is what I wish more people on the left understood, that they are GIVING us their vulnerabilities every time they open their mouth and we’re ignoring every opportunity.

          I can cite so many examples of this. Like, you can literally just call them the thing they hate and it will set them off to a degree that I think would startle most non-conservatives.

          It’s because to normal, well-adjusted, adult humans, being called a “cuck” by a stranger is just funny, it’s like being “booed” by a stranger, it’s more weird than anything personal or offensive. But the reason he’s using that word against you is because he himself is deeply, profoundly sensitive to the word and all it implies.

          They get massively triggered by specific words, and the left is always overthinking it, trying to come up with “smart” ways to fight and debate. When all you have to do is call them “weak sissies with no chin too dumb to know how voting works” and you will make their faces melt in rage, they will literally think about it all day. It doesn’t even matter if it’s accurate, and it certainly doesn’t matter if someone on “your side” thinks it’s problematic to use gendered slurs or ableism. It’s time to start twisting the knives out there.

          • ObliviousEnlightenment@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            24 days ago

            This. So much this. Im tempted to try at the House just to see how well a campaign built on exactly this and progressive economics works

            • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              23 days ago

              That would be FANTASTIC, I don’t know if you mean state house or federal, either way, imagine if every election there were more leftist/progressive candidates running than unopposed conservatives? I say this ALL THE TIME, that you can make a much bigger impact on your country by being more involved with politics, not less.

              Learn who’s running in your town, your county, your state, get to know your neighborhood, find out what people are thinking about, talking about, who they trust and not, just gather information and get practice being social and making friends. You can do so much to ensure that the people who prop up the foundations of our federal systems are people who actually represent us.

      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        24 days ago

        Like how we can’t call them gay anymore because gays get upset I worry about calling them cucks…but cucks like humilation so ¯\(ツ)/¯

    • auzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      24 days ago

      Nah. We’re not totally there yet.

      A lot of them still need to dehumanize others by saying they eat pets first, pretend they’re criminals and make them enemies by claiming they’re stealing jobs

      Over time, it will become normalised and an entire new generation of f wits will emerge

  • sexy_peach@feddit.orgEnglish
    23·
    24 days ago

    Me: Oh no censored by the state?

    Con: uhm no a post was hidden on a social media website

    • HuntressHimbo@lemm.eeEnglish
      8·
      23 days ago

      It’s even sadder than that honestly, it’s actually “I suspect that my post wasn’t recommended as hard as it could have been”

    • SuiXi3D@fedia.io
      45·
      25 days ago

      It isn’t now. Go watch a science video on Facebook and read the comments. Every time I report all the idiots, and every time Meta decides not to remove the blatantly hateful, false information.

      • pyre@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        25 days ago

        dude I keep forgetting Facebook exists until someone talks about it in present tense and it gives me a little surprise. it’s like someone saying they looked something up on askjeeves

      • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.comEnglish
        6·
        25 days ago

        I don’t have a facebook account for that and a myriad of other reasons. But I agree I am lagging culturally because of it. I’m sorry that I get that way on here when I get all wound up.

        • SuiXi3D@fedia.io
          3·
          25 days ago

          No, you’re fine, I was trying to illustrate that it’s already, and has been happening for quite some time. I wouldn’t be on Facebook at all if it weren’t for my family. I absolutely detest what sort of drivel is allowed to be posted there.

      • BlemboTheThird@lemmy.caEnglish
        6·
        25 days ago

        I don’t use Facebook but I find that on YouTube people will spout blatantly awful bigoted takes and any kind of response I make, no matter how much I try to clean up the language, will get shadow deleted

      • auzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        24 days ago

        Had some guy calling everyone dunces he disagreed with on fb.

        Apparently, it doesn’t violate community standards

        Either does porn, or any form of harassment

        But apparently, me telling people that I was safe overnight at a hut when hiking, where and how many people isn’t ok, and that post was removed

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      23 days ago

      This is amazing, the only thing I have found close to this is in the US is when CSPAN allow callers. They don’t even need questions, they often twist themselves in knots on their very own.

  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    23 days ago

    “Somebody disagreed with me! Conservatives are a persecuted class just like Christians and black people and those other races!”