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I remember in school we kids had ‘gay’ tests we would do on each other. Depending on how you checked your nails or shoe for dirt, stuff like that.
In my school you were gay if your index finger was shorter than your ring finger, or if your wore one earring.
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you were gay if your index finger was shorter than your ring finger
And then when they hold up their hand to check, you slap it into their face.
I remember kids in the '60s making a big deal that our milk cartons said “homo” on them.
I had the earring thing in mine too, but it had to be the right ear to be gay. Left ear was fine.
This is a holdover of gay hookup codes.
Basically every generation of queer folk back when being queer meant a legitimate threat to life (imprisonment, castration, torture or violence) or through precarity (being disowned, losing one’s job or benefits) queer folk lived like spies and used codes to quietly signal their status to others. There are some that have been easily lost to history but some would either be decoded and then become too dangerous to use openly… Or the straights would think it’s neat and adopt the fashion without realizing what it actually was being used for likewise making it too dangerous to openly use. So there’s these layers of abandoned code.
Modern codes are more complex and not as covert as folk have realized that a lot of straights wouldn’t know queer code if it came up and performed a drag routine on their nose. Like Pride events people wear flag colors that tell you what their deal is but straight folk only really tend to recognize maybe a handful. Others are less obvious, there’s a club color code of bandana that is very specific to kink and sexual orientation depending on what color and how you wear it.
I’ve heard of that and always assumed it was part of some club/bar culture. A shorthand way of signaling to potential hookups who you were looking for. Never paid it much attention in my day to day life though.
Also, I assumed two earrings meant you were bi.
“left is right, right is wrong”
Two wrongs don’t make a right, but three lefts do.
What about if your palm was bigger than your face?
That means you have cancer. Go ahead, test it out!
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I used to be called a faggot (slur for gay) in this era and still now by some of my more monkey brained friends for using an umbrella when it rained.
Like it’s gay to not want to get wet and feel icky all day 😂.
Don’t ever come to Germany. :) “We are not made of sugar!” Not wanting to get wet in the rain is defintly frowned upon here (also true if you are gay).
It’s that way here in Seattle as well. When I moved here 18 years ago my now step brothers told me don’t ever use an umbrella unless you want to be mistaken as a tourist or gay. Too bad I already had that second one on lock.
In their defense, the gaybies on Capital Hill love umbrellas to preserve their look.
Now that’s just nass.
As someone who grew up in the late 90’s and early 00’s as a christian midwest kid, it is a constant struggle to deprogram that stuff because it was EVERYWHERE.
I’m quite literally LGBTQ+ and it’s still a struggle.
On a slight tangent but movies and TV shows always reflect the way society is at that point in time. It puts on display what was valued, what was of concern, etc. This is true regardless of the genre.
Changing scenes or using cgi to remove things we would now consider"problematic" is like erasing history.
You’re not straight unless you don’t shower and love eating dog shit in your meals
Is the image not loading for anyone else? Neither in apps, tried both sync for lemmy and voyager, tried opening in a browser on both my phone and computer, with any without adblocker and VPN, it just sits and loads infinitely. I tried going to the base URL for the site and that does the same.
Turn off your vpn, that did it for me
It’s loading in Boost.
If you’re not seeing it when you go to the URL your ISP or firewall might be blocking it? Could be many things.
I don’t see an image.
The whole concept of “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” was so weird and very of its time. And that was considered pretty progressive at the time.
The sad thing is that it was fairly progressive then to have openly gay men on TV who weren’t there as either the butt of a joke or a flamboyant “gay bestie” stereotype.
What if I just have a hard on for the Soviet subway?
The culture shift is stark sometimes when you watch old stuff.
On the other hand, don’t let them turn that into an excuse. You know what dealt with trans rights in a pretty honest, raw, and understanding way, in the mid 1980s? Fucking Hill Street Blues. One of the cops gets together with a woman, he’s happy to be with her, and then the other cops start giving him hell for it because she used to be a man. He gets disgusted and angry, goes over to her place, and she lectures him about it and sets him straight, tells him to figure out if he wants to be with her, but don’t try to turn who I am into some kind of thing I did to you, or make me feel bad about it. He sort of accepts it, because she clearly has a point, and that’s the end of the episode.
Hill Street Blues, man.
Night Court did the same thing. The assistant D.A., Dan, has an old buddy who visits after many years and turns out they transitioned and have a boyfriend. Dan is stunned because they used to party and womanize together, but his friend said he was never actually into it. At one point Dan argues with the new boyfriend and says, “He used to be a guy!” Boyfriend says it doesn’t matter. He loves her. That episode really stuck with me, watching it as a kid.
I was going to mention this. I started watching the old night court when the new one started airing and was blown away at how well they handled that episode given the time period.
Yeah, I had a pretty sheltered childhood because I remember lots of good shows with a lot less of those issues. I watched a lot of sci-fi though, which IME tends to be a bit more forward-thinking. Not super surprising if you think about it
Doctor who had every type of queer back in the mid-late 2000s. From a trans “last human” to lesbian aliens
Doctor who had every type of queer back in the mid-late 2000s. From a trans “last human” to lesbian aliens
Wait, that “bitchy trampoline” was trans? How is that even possible with so few body parts left?
In her introduction episode she makes reference to “when I was a little boy”
She’s also a conwoman, which is kinda unfortunate and ties into upsetting stereotypes and tropes.
There’s enough examples of positive trans or otherwise characters in Doctor Who that it should be fine. You should be able to use queer characters as villains so long as them being queer isn’t part of their motivation.
I just dislike/am suspicious of a trans character whose main traits are that she is duplicitous and obsessed with unnecessary cosmetic surgeries. I’m not anti queer villains, but I bristle at stereotypes about queer individuals being used as their villainous traits.
I definitely see your point, and this might be a bit of hope posting but they did turn her around a bit. It was 2005 when she was just an evil trampoline (oh my god I think I just made a connection. Say that out loud a time or two), but then in the next season she realizes how much prettier she was before all of the surgery and how much nicer it felt to be kind. Of course, she only has this realization moments before death but I want to believe that there’s an actual positive statement in there
One of Al Pacino’s best movies, Dog Day Afternoon, is still a very relevant movie to this day and was released in 1975.
Watched Ace Ventura a few years ago for the first time since I was a kid. I remembered the whole trans reveal thing. Never put together as a kid they were implying that it was part of that character being mentally ill and completely forgot about Ace and the cops freaking out after finding out.
Yeah. It’s absolutely nuts.
In the 60s, if you were a man in a movie, you could hit women if they were getting crazy, to set them straight.
In the 80s, the heroes of movies could commit rape (Revenge of the Nerds) or child molestation (Indiana Jones) and still be the heroes of the movies.
In the 90s, the simple fact of a character being gay, or God forbid trans, was its own comedic element, without anything additional needing to be added.
Things have changed. Like changed a lot.
I like retrospective threads like this. Puts things in perspective. Growing up under conditions like that, it would have been weird if I hadn’t repressed my gender identity. Pity things couldn’t have changed earlier, and let me realize sooner.
In Pinto’s defense he did, after some soul searching, decide not to fuck the passed-out girl. Congrats, Pinto.
There’s a reason that most people consider the squeal to be the better movie.
There’s still weird shit on tv. For obvious reasons, I haven’t seen much Big Bang Theory, but that show has some weird, casual sexism.
David Milch the creator of the Deadwood series wrote and produced several episodes of Hill Street Blues.
Fun fact: the term was literally invented by the British tabloid press to explain how (football superstar and husband of Victoria “Posh Spice” Beckham) David Beckham could wear a sarong without being secretly gay.
I wish I was making it up but that’s genuinely the origin of the term 🤦
I watched the Beckham documentary recently and although I’m not really into football it was deplorable how the media treated DB back then and really does show how sick the media are/were.
Metrosexual 2033, Metrosexual Last Light, and Metrosexual Exodus
And the VR title, Metrosexual Awakening
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When I was growing up “f!!!ot” wasn’t even seen as a cuss word, it was just a burn you called your friends all the time. We didn’t really think about it until I was 16 and one of our friends came out as gay. My whole friend group kind of had it click at the same time that 1. We didn’t care that he was gay and 2. It was probably pretty fucking rude to call everything we didn’t like “g!y” and call eachother “f!g” as an insult. I think that realization happened for a lot of people who had gay friends in my generation, and it’s part of what helped lead to the level of acceptance and support the LGBT community has now.
I was the gay friend who changed my friend group’s language, and I didn’t even do it intentionally. After I came out, I had a few of my friends ask if them saying “fag” or “gay” or similar was bothering me as long as they weren’t intending it to be a slur against gay people. I just told them the honest truth:
“It doesn’t bother me, and I don’t think any less of you for using it; but I do hear it every time it’s used. It jumps out just as clear as someone saying your name in a crowded room. Every. Time.”
And that’s really all it took. Just the awareness that those kinds of words aren’t entirely meaningless. That maybe if you’re only using them to describe something negative in a general sense, then there are other words you can use that work just as well, but aren’t connected to an entire group of marginalized people.
It was kind of a funny year or so after that when they were trying to break the habit. One of them would accidentally say something and all that would happen is we would lock eyes for a second and I’d just give a small smile and a nod as if to say “You’re fine, I don’t think you’re a bigot. But yea, I heard that.”
Yeah for us we were all surprisingly progressive about it for a small town Alberta school. Like everyone in the school bar a few goofy assholes were totally fine with it and the entire school just started policing their language. It wasn’t even a big deal. But I’m sure it wad important to him and the few other kids who didn’t come out until after school.
I’m sure it didn’t go that well everywhere for everyone.
Asian dude who went to high school in the 90s.
We were constantly called metro or straight up gay because we dressed like BTS before BTS was born.
But they called us that in a hateful way.
Ya 90s high school sucked for minorities.
Me in the 2000s: No lotion, no conditioner, no umbrella, no scarf. Just ashy skin, nasty hair, and choking on the rain and cold.
Not because I was afraid of being made fun of, but because I was stupid and gross.
You young GenZ homies knowing how to groom are the real champs.
I used to get called gay because I rolled the sleeves up on my shirt. Also because I worked with a gay guy and occasionally had lunch with him, maybe half a dozen times a year. The odd thing is that I had a girlfriend (same one 22 years later) who these idiots knew about.
