A full quarter of our society thinking that the people out of work shouldn’t be able to afford food or heating is a grim fucking indictment on what we’ve become. What kind of utter ghoul do you have to be to believe, “If you’re unable to work thanks to a disability and don’t have someone that can care for you, you should just freeze or starve, whichever gets you first”?
A full quarter of our society thinking that the people out of work shouldn’t be able to afford food or heating
For these people perhaps we should present a modest proposal.
This is the same meanness in the population that gave us Brexit.
A decade of anti-benefits rhetoric and squeezes on living standards has fostered the belief that people on social security and low wages deserve a life of penury and boredom.
And death. Benefit sanctions have killed people by finishing off those with serious medical issues through sheer stress or driving others to suicide.
“Have become”? They were always this mean. The article doesn’t seem to have a comparison between this survey and an earlier one showing that Britons have become this way, and I rather suspect this meanness has always been the way.
I think it is hard for a British news outlet to give their readers a reality check and bash them all in one go without some offramp. The amount of people who would thank for a wake uo call like that is much smaller than the group of conservatives snowflakes who can not deal with criticism and would be enraged.
It also frames it as something that you can easily change. If it was “always have been” people would be more likely to shrug and say “whelp, seems we will never change”. Kind of reminds me of how they frame climate change stuff now.
I don’t think you can generalise that broadly. Yes we’re a country of crabs in a bucket, nosy curtain-twitchers, and insufferable village scolds but we’re also a country that gives generously to charity, still fundamentally believes in democracy and the rule of law despite everything that’s happened, and apparently we poll among the least racist and homophobic countries in Europe which is nice.
No nationality is a hive mind, we’re not inherently good people or bad people we’re just people. I think we should be looking to tackle our crab bucket mentality but we can’t do that if we think that mentality is something intrinsically part of us rather than something we can choose to reject.
Social Darwinism is heartless and cruel af
This is always going to be an issue as everyone feels poorer. If you’re walking full time and can’t afford to put your hand in the the pocket for a night out, seeing Dave down the road on the never never going to the pub regularly will rub you the wrong way. It’s not right, but it’s Human nature.
As I said elsewhere, it reminded me of Lula’s speech about how the poor deserve to live a nice life, too.
‘They think that the poor don’t have rights. … The right to barbecue with family on the weekend, to buy a little picanha, to that piece of picanha with the fat dipped in flour, and to a glass of cold beer.’
EDIT: Re-added the quote. Markup ate it before.
Picanha = rump steak, one of the finer meats for a barbecue. I do think the flour in case was farofa, which isn’t quite flour, but a mix that’s ready to eat.
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Zero irony at this law being called the “Fair Labor Standards Act”
What have US labour laws got to do with British attitudes on poverty?
Or is Reddit’s American exceptionalism leaking again
Didn’t realize miserable treatment of the working poor is a uniquely UK problem, you absolute ass.
one fascinating thing I learned about this sub, is that the UK in UK_Politics actually standards for United Kingdom.
No it obviously stands for UhmeriKa, you idiot!
*arse
Or is Reddit’s American exceptionalism leaking again
You could have just answered “yes”. No need to be insulting, deary.
Reddit’s
Gotta unlearn that muscle memory. “Threadiverse”.
They were talking about it leaking out of Reddit, into Lemmy
You don’t see the exceptionalism as much on the Fedi as you did on Reddit, but you’re right!
The faster you get rid of the Tories, the faster that feeling will go away.
Getting them out will help (on every front) but we are still subjected to propaganda from the Tory press that promotes the agendas that suit billionaires, not ordinary people. They can’t rule us until they first divide us.
Tories are akin to US Republicans right, or do I misunderstand the nuances of the UK political factions?
There are ties between both groups. There was a conference that was paid for by republican linked groups about 2 months ago. UK conservatives share the same agendas as republicans. They learn from each others mistake to become more effective in their grab for power.
It’s always tricky trying for an equivalent as US politics are more right wing. So the hardest right Tories are probably in Trump territory and the moderate wing of the Conservative party is more like parts of the Democrats. Bernie Sanders would probably fall somewhere centre-left in the Labour Party. Corbyn would have been burned at the stake over there.
They won’t be gotten rid of because the Tories know how to make working class feel middle class, thus they vote against their own interests every time. It’s amazing what monthly payments for a BMW or whatever else makes a person feel accomplished.
