• IZZI@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    So we agree that there are

    XX - woman XY - man

    And some genetic mutationa in between XXY - Klinfelter syndrome XXXY - no idea how this is called X -Turner syndrome XX intersex XY intersex And true gonadal intersex

    And still these are medical conditions, a man on drugs wearing a wig is still a man, and a woman on drugs to grow facial hair is still a woman.

    It’s a he and a she regardless

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      Honey, nobody claims that trans women are biologically identical to cis women or the other way around. Sex is not gender.

      And chromosomal deviations is exactly what the PhD in the OP is talking about. You can call them medical conditions if you like, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are XY women and XX cis men.

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        Ok here I can see my lack in logic. I understood that the PhD was saying that XX can change into XY during the life of the person, not that they are born XY and naturally develop female traits.

        My only pet peeve with all this is “misgendering” which I honestly despise. If one is a grown up 180cm male I’m never gonna call him a “her” just because of a wig and makeup.

        But if someone was raised as a woman because that’s how her body developed even if she has XY chromosomes I won’t call her “he”.

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          just because of a wig and makeup

          Why do bigots always assume trans women can’t grow their own hair?

          Is the assumption seriously that your average trans woman looks like a burly bearded man with a receding hairline?

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          My only pet peeve with all this is “misgendering” which I honestly despise. If one is a grown up 180cm male I’m never gonna call him a “her” just because of a wig and makeup.

          Interesting.

          What if they were 165cm, had the face and body and voice of a woman and you had no idea they were trans? Would you call them He if you found out?

          Would you call a big burly bearded guy She after you found out they are a trans man?

          If yes, why so? If no, why so?

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            Would you call them He if you found out?

            Yes I would, in both cases. But I guess it would depend, if we were friends I might call them the way they want. But that is a favor as a friend, not something that I would accept be demanded from me

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              So what you’re saying is that if you don’t know the particular person, you will actively go out of way to be an asshole to them, but if they’re someone you care about, then you’d pretend to respect trans people enough not to intentionally fuck with them.

              Lovely.

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                No, I already said I’d simply avoid the person

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                  No, you didn’t lmao

                  Would you call them He if you found out?

                  Yes I would

                  if we were friends I might call them the way they want

                  You specifically said you would actively misgender them, unless they’re your friend, in which case you “might” not actively go out of your way to do so. That’s a dick move, simple as.

                  And no, you can’t pretend that answer isn’t real by adding “I would never interact with or see a trans person” because that’s not how life works.

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              That’s unfortunate, why not be friendly to a stranger?

              Why does someones chromosomal sex matter to you if you don’t want to have children with them?

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                Because I’m selective with my friends and I don’t want any drama, and from my experience and what I keep seeing thsese king of people are all about atention.

                Really don’t want that in my life

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      so we agree that

      1: one 2: two

      and then there are just some numbers in between, 0.1, 0.2…

      this is just a fact, you coming in these comments wielding words you don’t understand and concepts you barely grasps doesn’t make you smart or correct

      you’re just a bigot regardless

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        9 hours ago

        Numbers that can be proven mathematically. The gender idiology is nothing more than:

        “Today I feel…”

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          gender is nothing more than “today i feel”

          congrats on your strawman, you’re really driving your point home

          numbers can be proven mathematically

          congrats on proving math with math

          there is scientific proof that gender ideology is not “today i feel”, that sex and gender are distinct. you brought up multiple chromosomal conditions which are part of the scientific proof of such claim, but are too sold on high school biology to entertain complex concepts

          if you want to bring “science” in this discussion, maybe read it first? it’s ok to be uninformed, you can be wrong on the internet