Joe Rogan is a caveman, but I hate this mentality.
I’ve had a ton of horrible experiences with doctors. Misdiagnosis, given bad medication, bad medical advice, etc. A common trait all of them had extreme arrogance. They all thought they had all the answers, and that modern medicine was infallible.
If you had an issue they couldn’t put a clear label on fairly quick or weren’t responding to treatment in a textbook way, then that was somehow your fault. Either you were lying, or exaggerating, or it was all just in your head.
I’m not alone in this experience. Basically every American with any sort of complex health issues has had a bad experience at the hands of someone who claims to be an expert. That’s on top of the medical establishment letting bad medicine go on for years, because they are extremely reluctant to admit they don’t have all the answers.
Obviously, none of that makes Joe Rogan any sort of intellectual or trusted authority on anything except bro science. How you can’t expect people to have unflinching trust in doctors when doctors let people down so often.
I think on this particular example, the focus was less on the medical doctor aspect and more on the PhD. The woman has achieved the pinnacle of institutional knowledge in her field by fostering her intellect while dog breath across the table talks down to her about muscly podcast man who told everyone to take horse dewormer for COVID.
I agree using “doctor” as an indicator of intellect can fall short, I think that is tangential to the point her husband was making. Also, good husband stepping up to bat when the coworker starts mansplaining to his wife…
Doctors sadly are drilled to produce results in an industrial manner. Strange edge cases are relegated to research, but if a doctor has to work off many patients, a patient who needs thought or patience is just irritating.
I’d say it’s currently an issue of the medical system being vastly overwhelmed. We don’t have nearly enough staff to handle the many health crises in the country, and it doesn’t help that many preventable cases get ignored for a long time (out of fear of overpaying) until they require far more extensive treatment.
As such, doctors don’t really have a choice but to rush their visits and take overbooking.
Um… if you look at the post again, you will find that the doctor in question is a PhD, admittedly in neuroscience, which does produce results used by medical doctors. But there is no indication the woman in question has ever, or will ever, practise medicine in a clinical setting. For that matter, there is only the inference from the mention of a US podcast that she is even American, mmm?
But, then, I infer from your userrname that you are male, and from your post that you are American. So I am not, at this point in history, terribly surprised if you have jumped to a wrong conclusion about the actual content of a woman’s doctorate.
Signed, another woman with a doctorate that has nothing whatsoever to do with practising medicine in the USA, although you’d never know it from the number of Americans who immediately tell me their symptoms upon introduction. (Ah, yes! I think Napoleon died of something similar on Ste. Helena. Or possibly he was poisoned. But then French history is not my field, either.)
You’re right. At least doctors have actual experience in the field. There are legions of academics who have never actually attempted to apply any of their knowledge to any sort of real life situation, have an extremely limited ability to function in the real world, and somehow are even more arrogant than medical doctors by an order of magnitude.
Case and point, this comment. The natural conclusion of anyone without an extreme superiority complex is that I just mildly misread the OC because, like the vast majority of people, I spent like 10s glancing at this post before commenting
Meanwhile you have your head so far up your ass that you immediately launch into an incredibly pretentious rant that somehow manages to stretch a three sentence point into three paragraphs, each of which is somehow more insufferable than the last.
Everything about you gives off the energy of someone who thinks they are better than everyone else because they can quote Foucault at will, and thinks the reason why they can’t seem to make connections outside of their field is because people are too intimidated by an “intellectual”.
I think any of us who have worked in academia can say something very similar about the other kind of doctor. I do feel like it may be a situation where it’s just that the more vocal ones are ruining it for everyone, but we’re getting heavy into anecdotal data at that point.
It sucks, but the anti intellectual crowd does legitimately have a lot of places to point some fingers.
I gave up on getting tested for ADHD. They would not even run the tests! I don’t really care if I have it, I just want to be sure, so I know what to do about whatever is wrong with me.
I’m sorry to hear that! My PCP referred me to testing based on a very short conversation and ultimately just because I wanted to be tested and know. I hope you can find a better doctor!
Yeah, doctors aren’t perfect. Does that mean that my doctor, who says that you should get vaccinated, is on equal footing with RFK Jr., who says you shouldn’t? No.
I don’t have “unflinching trust” in anybody, but I’d trust a board-certified doctor before I trusted somebody like RFK Jr.
Joe Rogan is a caveman, but I hate this mentality.
I’ve had a ton of horrible experiences with doctors. Misdiagnosis, given bad medication, bad medical advice, etc. A common trait all of them had extreme arrogance. They all thought they had all the answers, and that modern medicine was infallible.
If you had an issue they couldn’t put a clear label on fairly quick or weren’t responding to treatment in a textbook way, then that was somehow your fault. Either you were lying, or exaggerating, or it was all just in your head.
I’m not alone in this experience. Basically every American with any sort of complex health issues has had a bad experience at the hands of someone who claims to be an expert. That’s on top of the medical establishment letting bad medicine go on for years, because they are extremely reluctant to admit they don’t have all the answers.
Obviously, none of that makes Joe Rogan any sort of intellectual or trusted authority on anything except bro science. How you can’t expect people to have unflinching trust in doctors when doctors let people down so often.
I think on this particular example, the focus was less on the medical doctor aspect and more on the PhD. The woman has achieved the pinnacle of institutional knowledge in her field by fostering her intellect while dog breath across the table talks down to her about muscly podcast man who told everyone to take horse dewormer for COVID.
I agree using “doctor” as an indicator of intellect can fall short, I think that is tangential to the point her husband was making. Also, good husband stepping up to bat when the coworker starts mansplaining to his wife…
Doctors sadly are drilled to produce results in an industrial manner. Strange edge cases are relegated to research, but if a doctor has to work off many patients, a patient who needs thought or patience is just irritating.
Really? How?
I’d say it’s currently an issue of the medical system being vastly overwhelmed. We don’t have nearly enough staff to handle the many health crises in the country, and it doesn’t help that many preventable cases get ignored for a long time (out of fear of overpaying) until they require far more extensive treatment.
As such, doctors don’t really have a choice but to rush their visits and take overbooking.
Sounds like we need to rethink how we educate doctors - considering we need more.
Um… if you look at the post again, you will find that the doctor in question is a PhD, admittedly in neuroscience, which does produce results used by medical doctors. But there is no indication the woman in question has ever, or will ever, practise medicine in a clinical setting. For that matter, there is only the inference from the mention of a US podcast that she is even American, mmm?
But, then, I infer from your userrname that you are male, and from your post that you are American. So I am not, at this point in history, terribly surprised if you have jumped to a wrong conclusion about the actual content of a woman’s doctorate.
Signed, another woman with a doctorate that has nothing whatsoever to do with practising medicine in the USA, although you’d never know it from the number of Americans who immediately tell me their symptoms upon introduction. (Ah, yes! I think Napoleon died of something similar on Ste. Helena. Or possibly he was poisoned. But then French history is not my field, either.)
You’re right. At least doctors have actual experience in the field. There are legions of academics who have never actually attempted to apply any of their knowledge to any sort of real life situation, have an extremely limited ability to function in the real world, and somehow are even more arrogant than medical doctors by an order of magnitude.
Case and point, this comment. The natural conclusion of anyone without an extreme superiority complex is that I just mildly misread the OC because, like the vast majority of people, I spent like 10s glancing at this post before commenting
Meanwhile you have your head so far up your ass that you immediately launch into an incredibly pretentious rant that somehow manages to stretch a three sentence point into three paragraphs, each of which is somehow more insufferable than the last.
Everything about you gives off the energy of someone who thinks they are better than everyone else because they can quote Foucault at will, and thinks the reason why they can’t seem to make connections outside of their field is because people are too intimidated by an “intellectual”.
I think any of us who have worked in academia can say something very similar about the other kind of doctor. I do feel like it may be a situation where it’s just that the more vocal ones are ruining it for everyone, but we’re getting heavy into anecdotal data at that point.
It sucks, but the anti intellectual crowd does legitimately have a lot of places to point some fingers.
I gave up on getting tested for ADHD. They would not even run the tests! I don’t really care if I have it, I just want to be sure, so I know what to do about whatever is wrong with me.
I’m sorry to hear that! My PCP referred me to testing based on a very short conversation and ultimately just because I wanted to be tested and know. I hope you can find a better doctor!
Keep trying. It took me 15 years before I found a therapist who took it seriously.
Yeah, doctors aren’t perfect. Does that mean that my doctor, who says that you should get vaccinated, is on equal footing with RFK Jr., who says you shouldn’t? No.
I don’t have “unflinching trust” in anybody, but I’d trust a board-certified doctor before I trusted somebody like RFK Jr.
Seriously though. I don’t think I’ve actually been helped after having gone to the doctor my entire life (I’m 24 for reference).
So, you’re 24 years old and healthy? Color me shocked.
What would you do, say, if you broke your leg? Would you go to a doctor? Do you think that they’d be able to help you?