Hear me out, people who belong to this stupid label “the right” can also hold those values. Shocking, isn’t it? I’ll even out myself as one of those morally apprehensive people of this homogeneous group, which is the exact opposite to the homogeneous group “the left” (because you’re either or, of course), "“the* right”. But I still hold the same values as Linus mentions.
If you’re seriously honest when asking that then you should really look up some political ideologies. I’d also recommend not hyper focusing on the US and US politics.
You either dont believe in these things or you’re not as right as you think you are.
Maybe I’m not understanding. You’re a right wing person that recommends we dont look at right wingers in the US for reference? I guess I just start at Nazi then?
I’m recommending everyone to not look at the US as a reference for a sane and nuanced political system. In Europe we’re generally not A or B, although you can definitely say you’re left or right you don’t have to be either the left or the right.
I hold values which are generally right leaning, as well as left. But overall I vote blue, not red (which would be the other way around in the US, for whatever reason).
If you look at the strong right party Kristdemokraterna in Sweden you’ll find that they support Swedens current abortion laws, which allows for it. Even though they’re strongly for traditional family values and overall a strong right political ideology.
In contrast, the Swedish Vänsterpartiet (literally the left party) with roots in communism, have voted the same way as the far right party Sverigedemokraterna with its roots in nazism and white supremacy. (Just to clarify, Sweden does not only have these two “extremes”. The Riksdag has a total of 8 parties as of today.)
Things are more nuanced outside of US politics. I know what beliefs I hold and live by. I don’t necessarily think those should be put into law (I support the liberty for women to chose whether to abort or not. If I were put in the situation that my wife got unexpectedly pregnant, I would never support aborting.)
Brazil has a decent political diversity on paper, but the right here is pretty much a copy of the USA right, who mainly defend the interest of the rich (basically they’re all in favor of destroying the environment for profit, privatizing health and other public services, “defending” family values, anti abortion, pro “free speech”, voting en masse to increase their own salaries and being USA’s obedient little bitch). The “center” parties are pure mercenaries and, when not bought by any one side, will ally with the right.
Ah, not a piece of confusion here, the US is a good example of when people with right leaning views actually have control the government, there is no left to compare to.
Also, am I reading that you wouldn’t support your wife’s right to choose an abortion? But do you support her decision to choose, which is what I read the current laws states?
When you boil it down, being right wing means you value property rights over human rights, and left wing is vice versa. Right wing is maintaining wealth and power, and don’t let anyone else get in the way of it.
It’s deontological ethics vs keynesian ethics I think. That’s why the left and right accuse each other for being based more in emotion than reason. Because from each’s perspective, the other is doing something objectively wrong, when they have different moral systems in the first place.
Having said that, I prefer to value the well-being of people, over some archaic devotion to a piece of land, or letting humanity go extinct so that we can respect the rules of some weird game I didn’t sign up for called “who grabs land first”.
Of course there’s a spectrum. In the US, the spectrum only applies to the populace, though, as the politicians themselves are behaving so polarized that there only exists “the right” (far-right culture warriors) and “the left” (center-right with lip service to the left).
Thanks! I’m actually European, but it seems that a lot of people here on Lemmy forget that there exists other places than the USA and US politics. Being not-American I don’t actively focus on the US, but actually what happens on my continent, my country, my county and my municipality.
(No, I do not endorse Trump. I hope he’s replaced soon.)
Hear me out, people who belong to this stupid label “the right” can also hold those values. Shocking, isn’t it? I’ll even out myself as one of those morally apprehensive people of this homogeneous group, which is the exact opposite to the homogeneous group “the left” (because you’re either or, of course), "“the* right”. But I still hold the same values as Linus mentions.
Bro, idk how you are still Right-Wing then. What are these Right-Wing values that you hold?
If you’re seriously honest when asking that then you should really look up some political ideologies. I’d also recommend not hyper focusing on the US and US politics.
You either dont believe in these things or you’re not as right as you think you are.
Maybe I’m not understanding. You’re a right wing person that recommends we dont look at right wingers in the US for reference? I guess I just start at Nazi then?
I’m recommending everyone to not look at the US as a reference for a sane and nuanced political system. In Europe we’re generally not A or B, although you can definitely say you’re left or right you don’t have to be either the left or the right.
I hold values which are generally right leaning, as well as left. But overall I vote blue, not red (which would be the other way around in the US, for whatever reason).
If you look at the strong right party Kristdemokraterna in Sweden you’ll find that they support Swedens current abortion laws, which allows for it. Even though they’re strongly for traditional family values and overall a strong right political ideology.
In contrast, the Swedish Vänsterpartiet (literally the left party) with roots in communism, have voted the same way as the far right party Sverigedemokraterna with its roots in nazism and white supremacy. (Just to clarify, Sweden does not only have these two “extremes”. The Riksdag has a total of 8 parties as of today.)
Things are more nuanced outside of US politics. I know what beliefs I hold and live by. I don’t necessarily think those should be put into law (I support the liberty for women to chose whether to abort or not. If I were put in the situation that my wife got unexpectedly pregnant, I would never support aborting.)
Brazil has a decent political diversity on paper, but the right here is pretty much a copy of the USA right, who mainly defend the interest of the rich (basically they’re all in favor of destroying the environment for profit, privatizing health and other public services, “defending” family values, anti abortion, pro “free speech”, voting en masse to increase their own salaries and being USA’s obedient little bitch). The “center” parties are pure mercenaries and, when not bought by any one side, will ally with the right.
Ah, not a piece of confusion here, the US is a good example of when people with right leaning views actually have control the government, there is no left to compare to.
Also, am I reading that you wouldn’t support your wife’s right to choose an abortion? But do you support her decision to choose, which is what I read the current laws states?
I support women’s liberty to choose. My personal belief is that abortions are immoral and should be avoided.
These 2 sentences are in direct opposition.
When you boil it down, being right wing means you value property rights over human rights, and left wing is vice versa. Right wing is maintaining wealth and power, and don’t let anyone else get in the way of it.
It’s deontological ethics vs keynesian ethics I think. That’s why the left and right accuse each other for being based more in emotion than reason. Because from each’s perspective, the other is doing something objectively wrong, when they have different moral systems in the first place.
Having said that, I prefer to value the well-being of people, over some archaic devotion to a piece of land, or letting humanity go extinct so that we can respect the rules of some weird game I didn’t sign up for called “who grabs land first”.
When you boil it down, being right wing means you value freedom and being left wing means you value making others work for you.
You can boil it down to whatever punchline you wish.
Wait the right doesn’t have people working for them?
Freedom is a big word that without clarification doesn’t tell us much of what you believe in. I think you boiled it for too long.
Trump is a leftist then?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Of course there’s a spectrum. In the US, the spectrum only applies to the populace, though, as the politicians themselves are behaving so polarized that there only exists “the right” (far-right culture warriors) and “the left” (center-right with lip service to the left).
If you think you’re on “the right” and are not advocating actively and persistently for Trump’s removal from office, you’re a fucking useless moron.
Thanks! I’m actually European, but it seems that a lot of people here on Lemmy forget that there exists other places than the USA and US politics. Being not-American I don’t actively focus on the US, but actually what happens on my continent, my country, my county and my municipality.
(No, I do not endorse Trump. I hope he’s replaced soon.)
Then you are either uninformed or somewhere the right is significantly less corrupt
Lift your focus away from the US. it’s good for you.