• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
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    Okay but, counterpoint, cars kill kids.

    Edit, so I don’t have to keep repeating myself, and because this is important fucking information:

    https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/

    Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.

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      Buses kill kids too. Trains too. Airplanes too. Let’s get rid of transportation.

      Or is it about the numbers all of the sudden?

      You’ve got to be a special level of dumb to think that anything in life has zero risk. Even food kills kids under certain circumstances.

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        https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/

        Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines. Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.

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          There are multiple considerations here. Here are two:

          First: these numbers are absolute, not percentages. What makes you think if only buses, trains and trucks are driven the numbers of deaths won’t rise?

          Second: there are many things we do that have higher risks than driving and kill kids. Do you think we should ban them all? Or only driving because you’ve been brainwashed to believe it’s the cause of all suffering for humanity?

          I can come up in two minutes with a dystopian setting where we all live in pods and eat bugs. That’ll probably minimize deaths. Would you like to have that “safe” future?

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              Per capita, not per type of vehicle. My point still stands.

              Also, don’t evade the questions. Otherwise enjoy the bugs in a pod while you’re safe and don’t complain about those who seek freedom.

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        There are other, better ways to transport people that are not only more efficient, but significantly safer. Cars are basically the worst way our society could practically organise our transport needs.

        There is no other way to swim than by getting in the water, but if your pool in particular keeps on killing loads of people then maybe your pool in particular has a problem and should be shut down.

        Edit:

        https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics/deaths-by-transportation-mode/

        Passenger vehicles are by far the most dangerous motorized transportation option compared. Over the last 10 years, passenger vehicle death rate per 100,000,000 passenger miles was over 20 times higher than for buses, 17 times higher than for passenger trains, and 595 times higher than for scheduled airlines.Other comparisons are possible based on passenger trips, vehicle miles, or vehicle trips, but passenger miles is the most commonly used basis for comparing the safety of various modes of travel.

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          I’m all for reducing the amount of cars on the road, but in many areas it’s simply not practical not to own one.

          I’ve done the math. Not owning a car at all or paying for note/gas/maintenance/insurance, and instead living in walking/cycling distance from work would require me to spend about $700/month more than I am now living 35 miles away and paying for my car expenses, and would leave me effectively stranded at work.

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            Don’t forget that your taxes go towards other people’s driving. Gas, roads and parking comes out of your taxes.

            Don’t also forget that your commute is probably 1 hour each way of unpaid work.

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        If there was an alternative you couldn’t drown in then yes, we should get rid of swimming pools.