Another win for the decentralized Fediverse when a government domain takeback can’t shut it down!
Mali has decided to take back .ml from people who took advantage of the free domain like fmhy.ml & maybe lemmy.ml - https://lemmy.world/post/1915581
And while it sucks for those servers & those users may have to migrate, the #Fediverse and it’s plethora of platforms continues on. 💪 💜
@fediverse #lemmy #mastodon #calckey #mali #decentralization
Why did so many instances use .ml domains?
'Cos they were free.
lmfao, frickin seriously? you’re gonna build up an instance where the domain is part of all of your users’ identities and you’re not even gonna spend the $10/yr to keep that solid? with how much time goes into running a lemmy instance and not getting overrun by bots, that’s an absolutely ridiculous assignment of resources
You have to remember that until recently, there was sub 100 daily users, this wasn’t a big platform, and it wasn’t just lemmy.ml, but a bunch of <10 user instances.
It wasn’t worth paying for a small side project until it wasn’t and at that point it was too late, plus who would have predicted that the gov of Mali would forcefully take back all of their domains?
Bruh it’s 10 dollars PER YEAR.
I’ve owned a .com domain for over a decade, ever since BEFORE I actually had a job and was living on allowances, and it still doesn’t register as an expense to me.
The content I host on that domain has been used by 3 different people tops, which is me and a couple of my friends. It’s still worth it.
If I were to build a public-facing service I’d certainly fork over the bare minimum to guarantee that it fucking stays up even if I don’t expect thousands of users. It’s just a matter of doing things properly. Free domains have always been sketchy as fuck, every scam ever was hosted on a .tk domain at some point.
But as it has been stated multiple times already, the only reason they actually went with “.ml” is because they thought it would be funny for the marxist-leninist association. That’s literally it. It’s not about money. Anyone with access to a dev machine has 10 dollars a year to spend or they wouldn’t be shitposting on the internet.
You underestimate how different some people’s situations and priorities can be. For us, it’s forking 10-20 USD (not a big sum of money) once a year by credit card (which isn’t hard to obtain).
There are parts of the world with dire financial situations or simply outdated systrms that don’t offer easy access to electric or international payments. There will be devs wanting to experiment with web services, but for them it isn’t simply “forking over the bare minimum”.
I won’t reveal my location just for the sake of an internet discussion, but I lived in a country (It’s not exactly a “3rd world shithole”, but not a developed one either) where until around five to ten years ago or so getting a bank account with ‘credit card’ meant you ‘made it’.
Why? If you weren’t lucky and wanted to pay for something international, you needed a friend with the aforementioned credit card to do the transaction on our behalf. Buying on Amazon? Better make it worth before bothering our friend there. What if I wanted games on steam? The friend with credit card, or use an intermediary that charges an extra before they ‘gift’ the purchased game. And so on.
Now it has gotten much better, as fintech apps filled the gap offering virtual visa or mastercard payments, and the banks themselves started offering credit cards with lower quotas, but you have to remember that it wasn’t available until a couple of years ago, or even still out of reach for some.
So what if you’re a developer with no affordable access to international tx and want to experiment regardless? You find the ones that don’t require payment.
I get a little over 10 dollars a day. Also, while my country has an excellent, free system for internal financial transactions, any international transaction will be (a) complicated and (b) expensive.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t pay USD1USD0 for a website, but I sure wouldn’t do it for a hobby one.
i mean, good point on the project size, but buying a domain is honestly such a basic thing that it still feels like a weird result on that equation to me. for fmhy.ml, specifically, i understand their choice, since pirate sites do tend to be quite nomadic with their domains, and the fediverse being so domain-specific is a new thing.
still, domains are hella cheap. the $10/yr figure i quoted is for a “serious” one on one of the major tlds, you can get away with much less if you’re willing to go for a somewhat more niche but still reputable one. especially one that’s longer than two characters.
Even worse, the free .ml domain is not actually yours when you get it for free, but actually owned by the company that previously managed the .ml domain. I suspect Mali government has reclaimed all those free domain registrations now that the contract with the company has been expired. The .ml domains that still up was probably paid domain and Mali government are probably still honoring the contract.
Lol one would expect people technical enough to setup a Lemmy instance would be aware of the fall of freenom and the fate of those free domains
Alright, fair enough
Ahh, makes more sense.
Are there any other domains that could be in a similar situation now?
Niue is trying to wrangle control of .nu form Sweden, so I’m a little worried. It’s been ongoing for years though.
At the time you get .ml free, .TK, .GA, .CF, .GQ were also available for free (they ended up all being used by spam advertisers, so those domains get marked ‘suspicious’ a lot)
@azalty it was free.
I think a lot of them were tankies who thought it was cool to have ML in their domain name. They have lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml iirc. Honestly I don’t know whether to be happy those communities took a hit or sad that I might lose one way of identifying and avoiding auth-left instances.