Active users as of June 25, 2023:
- lemmy.world (48k users): 13554 active users
- lemmy.ml (38k users): 4582 active users
- beehaw.org (11k users): 3743 active users
- feddit.de (6.7k users): 2320 active users
- sh.itjust.works (6.5k users): 2167 active users
- lemmy.ca (3.5k users): 1082 active users
Great to see all this growth and activity in different lemmy instances!
That’s great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.
On the fediverse, instances come and go. I’ve seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they’re turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there’s still something worth doing on the fediverse.
Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we’re in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.
Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.
Yeah, I’ve been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it’s frustrating. I am wondering if it’s because they’re still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.
Yeah I think that’s the main issue. Hopefully 18.1 can be released soon so they can upgrade too.
Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.
The server has already been upgraded 3 times. I’m sure they’ll upgrade again if they’re seeing issues. They might not know if it’s an external issue.
Is that what’s happening when I try to reply and it just loads forever?
No I think that is just you telling lemmy.world the message which sometimes can get stuck. Only after the message was sent will other instances sync with lemmy.world if they are federated.
Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I don’t hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they’re getting (and, more importantly, what they aren’t). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it’s doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They’re barely part of the fediverse though.
I agree. That’s the point of having different instances. Some of the original Lemmy instances had a very specific worldview and didn’t want to hear much else. I’d prefer they stay there to live in their echo chamber and I leave them alone, than they come out and start demanding the rest of us bow to their authority.
The broader fediverse sort of works that way. There’s a fediverse that’s really locked down, the sort of in between, and there’s the wild west, and the three coexist in different ways. I can disagree with them, but it’s their sandbox and I have mine and in that way we can coexist on the same platform
Perfectly put.
As an aside, I feel like this was the situation in the early formation of the US. Different communities and different states had different views about what should be illegal, but they all wanted the freedom to pursue their individual ways of life. There were basic tenants that everyone generally agreed to, but we created a paradigm where states could do different things, and you could move freely between them to trade and interact.
I feel like people have lost sight of that. Too many want to legislate their view of how people should live - to force everyone to live that way - instead of all of us during l supporting the right of others to do something different within those broader societal bounds.
There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don’t delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don’t approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.
Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.
Looks like beehaw.org is shedding users. They’ve lost about a thousand users since defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works last week. Maybe a bunch of people weren’t happy with that move.
They’re probably ok with that
Whats wrong with beehaw? I got a couple really active, good communities from there in my feed
They block a shit ton of instances, not always for good reasons. Often to maintain an echo chamber.
Why not beehaw? Did something happen?
They’ve defederated from both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They’re still a good community, but I don’t consider them part of the fediverse at this point.
They defederated with the some of the largest instances that have open registration due to the influx of people causing issues in their own communities and the lack of mod tools to address the issue. People are still pissy about it despite beehaw admins stating they will lift the defederation once lemmy mod tools improve…
They kept saying that they need more moderation tools. Does anyone know what they wanted that Lemmy doesn’t already offer?
A big one is probably mods being able to mark posts as nsfw, ability to set posting restrictions for users with new accounts, less buggy mod queue. As of right now it’s not really feasible for a small team to moderate a large community on lemmy. There was a multitude of tools on Reddit that existed that made larger communities run smoothly, nearly all of which just don’t exist here yet. Just general growing pains of a new platform I think.
True, but even a “large” beehaw community is small by Reddit’s standards. Couldn’t they just appoint more moderators? Lemmy allows mods to create more mods for a community.
I think the biggest issue they had highlighted (that I witnessed myself, unfortunately) mainly was people with clear bad faith intentions entering beehaw’s spaces designated for discussions of and about vulnerable communities and individuals that beehaw wants to make sure to protect as part of their community ethos. Discussions that were calm and respectful and didn’t devolve into chaos previously due to the barrier blocks in their community quickly fell apart due to large swaths of users who were able to enter the community without any barriers that would have been stopped quickly if they had tried to sign up to beehaw. Like, a lot of it was really was the lack of post restrictions within their local communities. An example off the top of my head, beehaw requires you to fill out a form to basically make sure you are wanting to join in line with their community policies. For those that get the false impression that they are asking for a large essay or were asking for censorship and get dissuaded because of that, beehaws admin seem to feel that is a good deterrent to those who wouldn’t engage in good faith within their community anyway. And it seemed to work on its own, but it quickly fell apart as huge amounts of signups began the surge across the two instances they defederated. Individuals who began to cause problems and enter the communities to troll, were almost all from those instances. It was a matter of they literally can only ban and delete, and with how the modding system in lemmy current system is, it was a losing game of whack a mole they currently cannot win.
I wonder, if lemmy.world is so unsafe, why are you here?
Where did I say it was unsafe? I was pointing out the dishonesty people have been showing in regards to discussing the reason why beehaw chose to defederate.
Where did I say it was unsafe?
Beehaw did imply that, the communication with Ruud was poor, and their “moderation” excuse is simply them acting in bad faith and you seem to agree with them.
They might have implied as such (I don’t personally think they did, but such an observation is objective.), but I myself didn’t in the post above, and to say I did is dishonest. For the record, I believe they did what they had to do with the limited options they currently have. And I did not like it. Hence why I made an account on here as well. It’s not a fascist regime, and I was pointing out the fact that the people acting like it is are being ridiculous. I directly witnessed the reasons why they defederated and quite ironically, an immense rise of interactions escalating precisely like this causing issues in their own communities and limited staffing to address such (especially towards the vulnerable minority communities beehaw wants to protect in ways reddit did not) in a short amount of time is quite exactly why they chose to defederate. Have a lovely day.
I don’t think it helps your argument when you’re the same one qualifying those who, rightfully, think that Beehaw’s move is a dick move, as people being:
dishonest
and
still pissy about it
Regardless of what happened, beehaw is not for everyone.
They aim to be a safe haven for people that are afraid to be harassed for who they are. It’s a noble goal IMO but to achieve that, they have to moderate their instance quite heavily.
If you’re not their target audience, you’ll find it too restrictive.
We did it Reddit!
I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.
question - why is/was joining a little instance a good thing?
The idea was to pick a smaller one to spread the load around and stop any one instance (at the time it looked like probably Beehaw or .ml) getting so big it became a “default” and thus accidentally centralising things and defeating the whole purpose of being here.
I guess a lot of people had the same idea at roughly the same time as me though lol, and now we’re stuck with some serious unforseen federation issues due to sheer size. Therewasanattempt.
More users does not ALWAYS mean a good thing.
You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn’t mean quality).
I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the “normies” are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.
Well said. A month ago, I couldn’t even imagine leaving reddit because there was hardly a viable alternative.
lemmy.world is probably leading because it’s easy to sign up
I mean, i would rather have an easy sign up then go through a shitty purity test like beehaw.org makes you go through.
I wrote 2 short paragraphs for the Beehaw entry and a week later was denied. By that point I was already on Lemmy.World.
I really don’t know what else they wanted me to say to be honest. I’d be interested in seeing some accepted applications but seems excessive.
The very same thing happened to me. It’s amazing to me how fast Lemmy.world has grown in the few weeks I’ve been here!
Same for me. The only thing beehaw now has that interests me is the technology community, which seems fairly active. Other than that it died for me there. For what? Because they couldn’t deal with a few trolls? And they want their own walled garden for site applications?
Jesus you’re bitter
That’s not a nice thing to say to Jesus.
I’m here because there’s less censorship
how does censorship in federation work? for example, my account is in beehaw and I posted censored content on a less censored instance, will beehaw able to track it and block my account?
Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.
Last Tuesday.
y’all are cracking me up… time sure does fly by. i want to practice being present. that’s what i should do.
Account age: 1 week
Yep checks out
Now do me!
Account age: 2 years
Ok grandpa time to get you back to your home.
Too bad the users are partially yelling into the void: https://lemmy.world/post/609080 Hope it gets fixed.
Are they? I see tons of Lemmy.world posts (including this one) using my sh.itjust.works account.
Except, apparently, we are the void. Probably why most people on this instance haven’t noticed a problem.
Do we want to be the void?
No, of course not, but I’m willing to be patient. This place grew very fast, and Lemmy itself was a tiny place before all of this. I remember the old days of reddit, too, and how sketch everything was. I hope it doesn’t take very long for basic issues like this to get fixed by the people who know how to do that (which definitely is not me), and I’m okay with mostly chatting amongst ourselves for a bit. (TBF though, I do get responses back from people on other instances, so my messages appear to be getting through eventually.) I’m excited for this thing to work, and feel impatient myself at times, but there is a whole heck of a lot of work that will need to be done to make this place fully functional. This is just one of many issues, and I am here for the ride!
Embrace the void. The void is comfy
Is this just because we are a version back? That’s gonna get fixed soon.
To bad they are still on 17.4 and not 18. Getting rid of web sockets really helped with the jumping around seen when viewing all
I might jump ship in order to bring balance to the force
I’m reading from kbin.social. Does kbin get included in the stats?
NGL I thought Blajah would be higher given that 196 moved there
Probably a couple hundred dedicated posters. So many 196 memes on my feed and I don’t even know what 196 stands for.
196 is the apartment of awesome!
Welcome to the party!
Share something while you’re here it’s the rule.
We’ve got Blahaj, memes, LGBTQ+, and no tankies.
We recently had to change venue due to reddit shenanigans, but the party don’t stop until it all stops
how cool is that!
Now show us a chart differentiating between robots and sentient users.
Like there are sentient users on social media sites.
It’s great to see Lemmy world growing so fast! As I’m still trying to grasp how to the Fediverse works in practice, how much does one need to ‘trust’ the lemmy instance?
If the instance is shut down or the owner enacts policies the community doesn’t agree with, what happens to all of the content and communities in the instance?
