More Wonder Woman being Wonder Woman.

There has to be soy milk or almond milk or something else that could be used.

If you have a gun, never get within knife range.

Definitely in scope for the community, though.

The true measure of a man is whether or not he’s been bitten by a radioactive spider.

If Wonder Woman doing over-the-top BDSM qualifies, then there are some even more prime examples on /r/outofcontextcomics I see that I think I’ll submit.

Upon investigation, apparently there is an /r/outofcontextcomics on Reddit with years of submissions which can be sorted by top score and pillaged for comics.

EH!T!!

It eventually became apparent that it wasn’t that generative AIs in 2024 had poor text-rendering skills, but simply that they had unfortunately included Golden Age comic books in their training corpus.

Ah, thanks, yeah.

At least the latter one is just showing which instances the named instance has defederated from, not which instances have defederated from the named instance.

That’s easy to get by checking /instances on a given instance already.

The problem is that you’d need some kind of spider that crawls all of the instances to get the reverse of that.

The former one does seem to show it.

Well, he’s on fedia.io, so I assume that he recommends that.

Keep in mind that that’s an mbin instance. It has a different UI (much of which, though not all of which, I like), but last I looked, which was some time back, didn’t have mobile client support other than a PWA. That may or may not be significant to you, depending upon your usage. It also has native support for Mastodon-style microblogging.

Your home instance is a lemmy instance, so it’ll look and work somewhat-differently.

My main irritation with the mbin UI last I looked was the difficulty of bringing up the subscriptions list. On the other hand, it did a collection of other things that I liked that lemmy presently does not, like permitting resizing inline images.

They don’t seem to get into friction over it. I’ve never heard of @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com or mods on their communities banning people for being statists. Granted, I don’t presently subscribe to any communities there, but I haven’t seen a stream of comments complaining about interactions with them.

I mean, it probably wouldn’t be my first place to stick a non-piracy related community if I were starting one, but I also wouldn’t avoid existing communities there.

slowly being edged out of the wider lemmy experience.

If your home instance is lemmy.ml and it’s just people using communities on instances other than lemmy.ml, then you still get the full experience, unless you’re committed to only using locally-hosted communities or something.

If instances are defederating with lemmy.ml, then you’re missing content.

I don’t know of an easy way to get a list of which instances have defederated with a given instance. The information is public, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has a spider, like the lemmyverse.net one, that gathers it. But as things stand, it’s easy to, given an instance name, know which instances it has defederated from, but not which instances have defederated from it.

crows

There’s !corvids@sopuli.xyz, but it doesn’t have much activity.

Yes.

Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net definitely.

Lemmy.ml has some less-bonkers communities, but !worldnews@lemmy.ml generates some of the most complaints, and I’m willing to paint with a broad brush on this one. There’s only one community that I can think of that I regret not using and doesn’t presently have a non-lemmy.ml alternative, and that’s !mechanicalkeyboards@lemmy.ml, and !ergomechkeyboards@lemmy.world has overlap. Also, aside from issues with instance policy, I think that lemmy.ml in particular is not a great instance for major communities, because it’s the “dev” instance and Lemmy has had some serious periods of problems where stuff slipped through testing and led to major problems in new releases. Lemmy.world did not hit this, because the admins there are more-conservative about updating, held off until they were sure that new releases were solid. My own home instance at lemmy.today crashed into repeated serious problems with new releases, and the admin decided that in the future, he would also be more conservative about updates.

I also think that it’s broader than disagreeing with someone. I’m not a furry or trans, for example, but I’ve no problem with pawb.social or lemmy.blahaj.zone and have never seen any complaints about moderation on those special-interest instances. However, there’s an entire community, !MeanwhileOnGrad@sh.itjust.works, that highlights a lot of moderation and infighting stuff that often I’d call pretty unreasonable off in .ml land. Beehaw.org is pretty left-wing, but they’re pretty mellow and don’t have the same issues (though they themselves have defederated with a number of major lemmy instances, including, most notably, lemmy.world).

That being said, a number of major lemmy instances have defederated with lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, and I chose my home instance of lemmy.today specifically because it did not defederate with instances. I want to personally make the call on instance content and on users on an instance. I’ve only ever blocked one user, and they were just relentlessly spamming images in communities, and I’ve never blocked an instance. I normally just view communities by subscribed, look at a “whitelist” of communities, not “all” plus a blacklist, though.

EDIT: Oh, and !kagi@lemmy.ml doesn’t presently have an alternative, and I’d definitely participate in a non-.ml alternative.

Ah, thank you for that, then; that makes sense. And yeah, if there is a per-user key, then I’d expect it to be signing votes.

considers

Fedia.io appears to have a pretty complete history of comments and posts. Lemmyverse.net reports 78 posts, and that’s about how many posts picks up. It doesn’t see the votes, however.

Granted, I haven’t tested the order in which votes are fetched. Maybe comments and posts get priority over votes, and if a user unsubscribes, that terminates fetching votes.

looks further

On lemmyverse.net, the community statistics read:

90 subscribed users. 1.9k active users.

That ratio is pretty dramatically out-of-whack with all other communities on lemmyverse. That’s sufficient to place it in the top 100 communities on the Threadiverse by active users, which I believe includes vote activity.

But it has only 90 subscribers, which is way down the list.

The subscriber count I can believe, for a new community. But for the active user count to be that high, there’d need to be a very high proportion of user account activity, with few subscriptions.

EDIT: Additionally, if one sorts by active weekly users, every other community shown on the same visible page in the lemmyverse community list – the communities with a roughly comparable active user rate – has between an order of magnitude and two orders of magnitude more comments. So basically, very few of these users could be commenting, but a high proportion would need to be voting.

EDIT2: Okay, moist.catsweat.com is another mbin instance that has indexed the community. Unlike fedia.io, that instance does have votes for the past few posts, and while there are a lot of upvotes relative to comments, one can see the users users doing so, and they appear to be real users, not bots. It’s a lot of upvotes for a new community, but that could be just unusual, and I’d believe that the propagation of votes is due to lemmy quirks.

Sorry, @Deceptichum@quokk.au. Just didn’t want to have spammers abusing the system. This is probably legit; I’ll withdraw my concerns.

An instance needs to have a subscribed user to get the posts and comments, which have shown up. The votes, however, are absent.

I believe that the basic metric of trust is instance-level. That is, it’s the TLS certificates and whether-or-not an instance is federated that is the basis of trust. I don’t think that users have individual keys – I mean, it’d be meaningless to generate one rather than just trusting a home instance without client-side storage, and that definitely doesn’t exist.

Having client-side keys would potentially, with other work, buy some neat things, like account portability across instances.

But the problem is that, as you point out, any solution on vote trust can’t just be user-level keys, unless every admin is gonna police who they federate with and maintain only a network of instances that they consider legit. Once I federate with an instance, I grant it the right to create as many accounts as it wants and vote how it wants. And keep in mind that ownership of an instance could change. Like, an admin retires, a new one shows up, stuff like that.

I suppose that there’s also a broader technical issue here. Like, Deceptichum’s a real user, a regular on various communities I use. He comments, contributes. I don’t much agree with him on, say, Palestine, but on the other hand, we both happily post images to !imageai@sh.itjust.works. I figure that he probably got in a spat with the !world@lemmy.world mods, was pissed, wanted to help get a little more suction to draw users. That’s relatively harmless as the Threadiverse goes. This is some community drama.

But you gotta figure that if it’s possible to have an instance reporting bogus vote totals, that it’s possible for someone to have bogus vote totals at greater scale. So you start adding instances to the mix. Maybe generating users. Like, there are probably a lot of ways to manipulate the view of the thing.

And that’s an attack that will probably come, if the Threadiverse continues to grow. Like, think of all the stuff that happens on Reddit. People selling and buying accounts to buy reputability, whole websites dedicated to that, stuff like that. There’s money in eyeball time. There are a lot more routes to attack on the Threadiverse.

I don’t know if that’s a fundamental vulnerability in ActivityPub. Maybe it could be addressed with cryptographically-signed votes and some kind of web of trust or…I don’t know. Reddit dealt with it by (a) not being a federated system and (b) mechanisms to try to detect bot accounts. But those aren’t options for the Threadiverse. It’s gotta be distributed, and it’s gonna be hard to detect bots. So, I figure this is just the start. Maybe there has to be some sort of “reputability” metric associated with users that is an input to how their voting is reported to other users, though that’s got its own set of issues.