Thanks! It sounds like “liberal” in this thread is what I’ve always called neoliberal, and “leftist” is what’s known as democratic socialism?

Curious comment, so I looked at Wikipedia’s Liberalism in the United States. Still not sure what you’re suggesting.

Could you elaborate?

HP lured me away from Apple about 15 years ago, with promises of better pay and benefits. I made the mistake of believing their lies, and proceeded to work in one of the most hostile environments I’d ever encountered. Aside from the open and constant sexual harassment, I was horrified to see customer service maliciously transfer callers to dead extensions or to the branch in the Philippines, then laugh about it. “Tech support” was for selling more products, not for resolving issues. Management was a shitshow of nepotism, falling-over-drunkenness, corruption, office affairs, and massive cover-ups.

I lasted 8 months, then I fled back to Apple, but I’ll never forget how HP blatantly loathed the customers.

Our method of managing the rodent diggers on our property is to look at the big picture. We live among moles, deer, rabbits, hawks, eagles, roaming stoats, frogs, falcons, snakes, doves, wasps, sparrows, etc. They were here before we arrived, they’ll be here after we leave, and they live in natural balance.

If we spot a rattlesnake, we avoid that area for a few days. If a wasp gets in the house, we take it outside. Any spider lurking indoors who wasn’t nabbed by a bird or mouse gets a pass.

We “manage” by recognizing that we’re the intruders occupying their space for a brief time, and they’ll be here long after we’ve gone; we just get the privilege of watching them for awhile on their land, and it’s amazing.