This is vibes based politics.

No, an exploited class noticing their exploitation and some dude thinking he is entitled to having sex with women are not the same actually.

During revolutionary conditions a lot of bodyguards end up, you know… taking stock of where their class interests lie, if you know what I mean.

but doesn’t history teach us that violent revolution more often just begets more violence than actually solves problems?

Nope! Look at the life expectancy increases under socialist countries, they mathematically have less death!

Also compare red terrors casualty numbers to standard operating casualty numbers. Like 20 million people die of capitalism caused deprivation a year worldwide today.

(just straight up misogyny)

Scratched liberal alert

'Aha, I have depicted my opponent as the soyjak emoji and myself as the chad!"

And wage labor and capital and value price and profit if they want to touch more on the economics.

But instead we are arguing the semantics over whether a man should take responsibilty for his own bigotry or whether the entire global leftist project should bear that burden for him.

I’m not having that argument? I am sort of confused as to why you think I’m making that argument?

I think you’re continuing to read me as appealing to pragmatism when I am instead appealing to learning from people who he respects on why he is personally wrong on the issue.

I would once again ask you, what specifically do you want to happen? If you’re having a hard time articulating it, I would suggest looking at the constructive criticism handbook. https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/constructive-criticism.html?ref=redstarcaucus.org

Man is a person. He answers to a community. He’s not actually a party official of the revolutionary guard and you and I are allowed to demand better.

Demand better from him than providing free gender affirming care and legalizing gay marriage, affirming other alt family structures, proactively having a country do pro-lgbt education to root out cultural bigotry like in Cuba? I’m am somewhat confused by this statement? What does demanding better here look like?

There can be no allyship with someone who understands our experience purely through the lens of political opportunism.

Do you think all pro-lgbt measures done in socialist states to be about political opportunism? Because in Cuba it took a multi-decade effort while struggling against the influence of the catholic church and colonial-legacy machismo culture to expand lgbt rights to the point that they’re better than the US

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I’m saying his heart is in the right place but he has wrong-headed ideas. Given the guy follows a socialist intellectual tradition it is reasonable that you suggest he gets his head in the right place by understanding socialist social practice on the issue.

Honestly this is a really uncharitable reading of what I’m saying.

If someone ostensibly left-wing or socialist needs to read theory in order value my life and needs as a proletarian ally then they can necessarily be no ally of mine. More work needs to be done beyond tacit academic acceptance.

Except here it seems the guy does oppose transphobia generally but needs specific work done to advance his understanding of the issue.

And understanding social practice in other places to improve your own social practice isn’t academic. It is not an ivory-tower-ass thing.

What other minority has to be vetted for their use before being welcomed into your so-called revolutionary project?

Socialist projects are doing better on lgbt issues because they are recognizing the old bigotry against lgbt people for what it is.

LGBT people aren’t being used, except in the sense that discarding liberal bigotries in general helps make the system more robust.

I’m literally a trans person btw, I am approaching this from an angle of actually helping people remove their own bigotries. What is your solution here? What should dessalines do to get better on trans issues, concretely? If you’re having a hard time articulating your criticism, I would suggest the constructive criticism handbook.

Yeah, it seems like he still has some political development on this front to do to chase out some liberal brainstorms.

I think the guy’s heart is in the right place though, I think he just hasn’t done the legwork yet on studying how modern socialist states are moving on lgbt issues and why they’re doing so.

Underdeveloped take from Dessalines: the bourgeoisie love to promote bigotry while covering themselves in a cloak of progressivism

Man, they wanted something better than the shit show that their life had become. They had many ideas about how they could reform their country. A new socialist constitution, a emancipated reunion with the West etc. All they knew was that it couldn’t go on with the current SED clique

They didn’t get something better though. They got capitalism, worse living conditions, and a bourgeois democracy that didn’t represent them either

How did the SED respond? Fucking off with the last money. They left their population with no help when they negotiated with Kohl. But hey, to you that’s just capitalist propaganda probably.

The SED literally lost influence and that let reunification happen. You’re blaming an organization that was trying to prevent something disastrous from happening for the thing happening disastrously.

Now it’s the people’s fault that they got screwed by the capitalists pfffff

Pretty sure it was the fault of the power dynamics at play, as reunifiers had taken control of the government and led to a massive looting of the GDR. And as for the SED “fucking off with the money” you get that the big impoverishment of east germany was that all the nationalized industries were given to private individuals, mostly people in West Germany who used to own(or whos parents owned) the industries prior to nationalization, right?

Also, I ask again: how did the Stasi respond to the lgbt movement in the 80s? Because that shit runs entirely contrary to the propaganda you’re trying to spew.

Sure you do, as long as you vote for the candidate that the state prefers.

That isn’t how soviet style democracies work. For example, the municipal assemblies of Cuba have multiple candidates for each seat, which are not chosen by the party. Those councils then choose a national representative for their municipality, which is confirmed by a popular vote.

Again, look up “Wir gehen falten”.

Link to what you’re referring to please, I didn’t find anything interesting in the search.

A US sponsored executive coup is not equivalent to collapsing due to its own problems.

You get to vote in socialist democracies like China, Cuba, USSR, etc. You’ve been told you can’t. Who told you this?

If you don’t believe me, look up the process for how the Cuban 2019 constitution and 2022 family code were drafted. Socialist democracy is more advanced and democratic than liberal democracies.

You’re claiming that capitalism is better on having elected women officials? First off, no. GDR and west Germany had similar rates of women in leadership, and women had political organization through the democratic women’s front.

Second off the framing is bad: I care less about smashing the glass ceiling than I care about not being hatecrimed in a rampantly misogynistic culture. I care about having the economic independence to leave abusive relationships, and to date for love and pleasure and not financial security.

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I didn’t call it communism, and neither did the ruling communist parties. Transitional socialism is the proper word.