You can also self-host bitwarden.

Berty is being developed, and might have some promise.

Why not? Some of the easiest bootloaders to unlock in the smartphone market are in chinese phones.

So, do we agree that saying that “if a service is free, you are the product” doesn’t apply to FOSS services?

Sure, but that’s exactly what people mean when they say FOSS service.

Regardless, that’s not the discussion we’re having. The point is that those services are free of charge, and you’re not the product. And that a big reason for that is that they are FOSS services.

No, they’re not mutually exclusive. These services are software.

The free in FOSS doesn’t mean free of charge. All those paid services are still FOSS.

Ok, so what do you call Bitwarden, matrix, openstreetmaps, Mastodon, or Lemmy?

Flehmen’s response. It’s the organ that’s called Jacobson’s organ.

There’s no such link in their comment history either.

Works perfectly on mine.

use it for one-on-one chats or messaging small friend groups

Those are exactly what I use Matrix for.

Have had absolutely zero issues on slrpnk even after the big Reddit migrations.

It kind of is, in this community.

That’s an issue of your instance, not of Lemmy. Smaller, less populated instances tend to be more stable.

So, you have no arguments against it, you just don’t like that people use it to shut out intolerant discourse?

By the way, it’s not “just a thought experiment”. It’s a philosophical principle that Popper put out there as self-preservation for democratic societies. You can argue its merits all you want, but you haven’t so far.

that paradox of tolerance bullshit

How is that bullshit?