Barotrauma… Train…

I don’t see myself resisting the early access on this one

Yep that’s the one. For what it’s worth, it doesn’t come up again for a while, and when it does it’s actually quite well done.

SNW is great. It is such a pure distillation of Star Trek

I don’t really like the gorn plotline, but it’s the show I recommend as a first for new Trekkies

wjrii hit the nail on the head. If you categorically don’t like the vibe it might not be for you. Like any true Trek show it takes time to find its feet. The plot is coarse and hamfisted (as a trans person, the trans allegory episode was hard to get through) but eventually turns around to be a good example of scifi for contemporary social commentary. The humour (both quality and balance) improves but it doesn’t stop being a Seth MacFarlane show. I value its earnesty, but it’s pretty far down the list for my suggested “Star Trek” viewing order.

Agreed. It’s a decent action scifi show that is hurt by trying to fit the IP. It did do some interesting things with the mirror universe, and some of the latter season parts where it takes nonsensical one off TOS concepts and completely seriously says “that’s canon, let’s build a plot point on it” were entertaining, if not good.

But it just doesn’t get Star Trek and it says something that I tell people getting in to the shows not to watch it.

Discovery gets more hate then it deserves, but The Orville is certainly more of a Star Trek show. I’m glad I stuck out the rough start (which is on brand for a Star Trek show lol)