These are actually interesting numbers. I do not doubt them and -0.99 pop growth per 1000 is “not great not terrible”. Upon searching I stumbled upon a world bank statistic claiming that China has had a -0.1 growth rate in 2023 but I assume they are calculating per 100 and just rounded -0.99 / 1000 to -0.1 / 100.
Now there are some developed countries that did worse than China (ahem Germany, Poland, Japan - I leave Russia and Ukraine out of this since both are actively decimating their population) but there are also a lot of developed countries who did better: Australia with 2.4, Czechia with 1.8, Spain with 1.2, …
Two numbers I also want to mention are the US with 0.5 and the EU as a whole with 0.2. So China is not far away from the West although both are still growing whilst China is still shrinking but the trend is your friend. It would interest me if migration has already been included (I’d say yes) because that usually benefits the growth rate of the US and EU (and is something both are actively fucking up as we speak thanks to conservative ultranationalists).
I don’t see anything wrong with your numbers. China just started implementing the policies, and you wouldn’t expect a huge change to happen in a single year. However, it does look like there is a measurable effect already.
China has problems just like any country, the workaholic culture is not as conductive towards having kids as some countries in Europe. The problem certainly doesn’t appear to be worse than in most counties, and unlike a lot of countries the government is actually doing something about it. I still don’t see why you point this as an issue that should make me dislike China.
China has high costs for raising a child… Apparently only 2nd to Samsung™ Korea.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1252843.shtml
https://daoinsights.com/news/china-has-worlds-second-highest-cost-of-raising-children/
And they’ve been addressing that with positive results being seen this year
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1265938.shtml
https://www.wionews.com/world/china-comes-up-with-20-recommendations-to-encourage-families-to-have-more-children-572313
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202501/1327070.shtml
These are actually interesting numbers. I do not doubt them and -0.99 pop growth per 1000 is “not great not terrible”. Upon searching I stumbled upon a world bank statistic claiming that China has had a -0.1 growth rate in 2023 but I assume they are calculating per 100 and just rounded -0.99 / 1000 to -0.1 / 100.
Now there are some developed countries that did worse than China (ahem Germany, Poland, Japan - I leave Russia and Ukraine out of this since both are actively decimating their population) but there are also a lot of developed countries who did better: Australia with 2.4, Czechia with 1.8, Spain with 1.2, …
Two numbers I also want to mention are the US with 0.5 and the EU as a whole with 0.2. So China is not far away from the West although both are still growing whilst China is still shrinking but the trend is your friend. It would interest me if migration has already been included (I’d say yes) because that usually benefits the growth rate of the US and EU (and is something both are actively fucking up as we speak thanks to conservative ultranationalists).
If you want to look through the numbers yourself: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.GROW?name_desc=false
In case I messed up the numbers or anything else lemme know - it’s 5:30 am CET and I am extremely tired but the numbers sparked my interest. ^^
I don’t see anything wrong with your numbers. China just started implementing the policies, and you wouldn’t expect a huge change to happen in a single year. However, it does look like there is a measurable effect already.
China has problems just like any country, the workaholic culture is not as conductive towards having kids as some countries in Europe. The problem certainly doesn’t appear to be worse than in most counties, and unlike a lot of countries the government is actually doing something about it. I still don’t see why you point this as an issue that should make me dislike China.
I fully agree. It’s good to see they are addressing the issue and as you say the effects are long time.