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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 4 months ago

In burger corp (USA) the internet is censored to keep the people uninformed about different world events.

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In burger corp (USA) the internet is censored to keep the people uninformed about different world events.

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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 4 months ago
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    Bad take. We’re in the modern world of information warfare: expecting every citizen to be immune to psychological trickery from a nation spending tens of billions to research and test ways to trick them is unrealistic and unreasonable. There’s people with PhDs in human psychology spending their entire time and untold amounts of compute power trying to stoke the flames of division and push misinformation and you think we should allow it?

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      But enough about the US intelligence-industrial complex.

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        The US government isn’t in charge of one of the largest social media platforms in the world. US corporations are absolutely doing this as well, but that’s an argument for more regulation not to grant China free reign

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          The US government isn’t in charge of one of the largest social media platforms in the world. US corporations are absolutely doing this as well, but that’s an argument for more regulation not to grant China free reign

          US-run social media apps are pretty much now just arms of the US surveillance state, functioning both as pro-US propaganda machines, and tools to spy on the communications of the entire world.

          For example, the most popular social media app in India for example, is facebook. The US controls the main method of news and communication for a country much larger than its own.

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            Yeah, and…? Does that mean we ignore the one under CCP control because… why? It’s not fair?

            Also, I’m not questioning the data as it’s clearly about when they began collecting data, but that chart looks a little… sketchy. Like you pulled it from your Great Aunt’s Facebook feed in 2014. Where is the data from? That does not appear to be any kind of valid source I’m aware of in the corner. When was this made, and how much has changed since then?

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              Like you pulled it from your Great Aunt’s Facebook feed in 2014. Where is the data from? That does not appear to be any kind of valid source I’m aware of in the corner.

              They’re slides of internal US prism program documents from the 2010 US global surveillance disclosures that Snowden and Assange exposed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides

              When was this made, and how much has changed since then?

              There’s no reason to think the US government has stopped any of these programs. If anything, given the massive DoD budgets, they’ve increased.

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              Agreed that the chart looks hilariously fake, but it’s a real image from a 2013 leak by Edward Snowden on PRISM. I found that original image in this Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

              The Wikipedia article includes more discussion and context on the leak.

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            Damn didn’t know the US Government owned Facebook.

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              US Government doesn’t own AT&T, and yet, they have their fiber splice in AT&T’s building, in order to spy on all international communications.

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              He didn’t say the government owned Facebook. Even so, it doesn’t need to own it to control the flow of information.

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          The US intelligence & propaganda machines dwarf those of all other states, just as the US military dwarfs those of all other states. And they don’t only direct it at other countries, they direct it inward, too. “Russiagate” was a domestic psyop directed at its own people, to manufacture our consent to censorship. Hamilton 68: How former intelligence officials and Democratic operatives conspired to manufacture ‘Russiagate’

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            The US most definitely uses its surveillance and propaganda system to influence the public. This was all exposed a long time ago.

            The thought that Russia influences AOTUS is a conspiracy is probably one of the more bonker things I have ever heard though.

            For sure stories were made up but anything short of of acknowledging that Russia has financially supported and heavily influenced everything about the current administration is pure conservatard garbage.

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              • Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
              • Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
              • Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
              • UC Santa Barbara: President Donald J. Trump to Withdraw the United States from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty
              • The Hill: Trump administration pulls out of Open Skies treaty with Russia
              • CBC: How successive U.S. administrations resisted arming Ukraine Yet since the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, the Obama, Trump and Biden administrations have all, to some degree, delayed or balked at sending lethal aid to Ukraine
              • Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
              • Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
              • Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
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                I am not sure what you were trying to express with that. Half the articles show how Trump has supported Russian interests to the detrament of the international community.

                It is clear you have not even taken the time to read your own articles. I am guessing you push so much conservtard bullshit it is impossible to keep up with the lies.

                There is no doubt Russia heavily influences Aotus. Just the simple matter of bank rolling him demonstrates all you need to know.

                https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/03/trump-media-es-family-trust-2022-loans

                https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/

                https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/gop-strategist-sentenced-russian-contribution-trump-campaign-rcna71301

                https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course?srsltid=AfmBOop89QSZYpBwKInqFYBue87LUww4HASoCRN9fvs1C7J8YNp0OD6i

                I actually read all these as well.

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          US corporations are absolutely doing this as well, but that’s an argument for more regulation not to grant China free reign

          Exactly this. This is their only argument against it, and it’s trash. Yeah, no shit, we know they are all doing it. Yes, we all agree that they should be dealt with as well.

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      This is such peak western projection holy shit

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      expecting every citizen to be immune to psychological trickery from a nation spending tens of billions to research and test ways to trick them is unrealistic and unreasonable.

      Trying to scrub all properganda from our lives is also impossible. Better to get a balanced media diet from a variety of sources.

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        That’s hard when people smarter than you are being paid billions to study and test exactly how to keep you addicted to their media platform. And if that doesn’t work, they’ll just buy your preferred media platform and devolve it themselves.

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