• 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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    An insect that sees ultraviolet light doesn’t see it how we see it

    It was showing a representation in the visible light spectrum of what the visor can detect

    the insect’s brain evolved to process insect’s available sensory input, so did human’s. so geordi would see exactly the same reducted picture that we see on the viewscreen, because that is the only thing our brain knows how to do.

    and you are still narrowing this discussion to subset of the facts. there is still the fact of visor being piece of technology that can be lost, malfunction, causes occasional pain and allows its wearer to be hacked by romulan intelligence. i don’t call that superior to my eyes.

    anyway, i don’t think we will progress further in this discussion, so until next time 🖖

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      the insect’s brain evolved to process insect’s available sensory input, so did human’s. so geordi would see exactly the same reducted picture that we see on the viewscreen, because that is the only thing our brain knows how to do.

      Incorrect. There have been humans born with an extra come in their eyes due to a mutation, and those people could see extra colours. There are people who get damaged lenses on their eyes that let them see a bit of ultraviolet.

      and you are still narrowing this discussion to subset of the facts. there is still the fact of visor being piece of technology that can be lost, malfunction, causes occasional pain and allows its wearer to be hacked by romulan intelligence. i don’t call that superior to my

      Yes. And there are ways in which it’s superior. Data called them superior too. It’s not wrong to call it superior.

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        Incorrect. There have been humans born with an extra come in their eyes due to a mutation, and those people could see extra colours. There are people who get damaged lenses on their eyes that let them see a bit of ultraviolet.

        there is no way to know what they see and how it differs from normal sight.

        Data called them superior too.

        yeah, this whole discussion started by me pointing this fact and the consequent contradiction. nice circle you have there.

        It’s not wrong to call it superior.

        the only person in the world who was qualified to decide that abandoned it as soon as he could. that makes it very wrong to call them superior.

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          there is no way to know what they see and how it differs from normal sight.

          Of course there is. When shown both, they can discern the difference, proving they look different. If they looked the same, they would not be able to discern the difference.

          yeah, this whole discussion started by me pointing this fact and the consequent contradiction. nice circle you have there.

          But there’s not really a contradiction. Plus I’d appreciate less passive-aggressiveness. There’s no need to be angry just because you’re mistaken.

          the only person in the world who was qualified to decide that abandoned it as soon as he could.

          ?? Explain how he abandoned it? He kept bionic eyes.

          that makes it very wrong to call them superior.

          Considering it was explicitly stated to be superior, he could see more, he turned away from wanting natural sight, and he stuck with bionic eyes, I think you are very much mistaken there.

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            There’s no need to be angry just because you’re mistaken.

            I think you are very much mistaken there.

            when your arguments get rejected, you try to make me angry by saying “calm down”? that is pretty pathetic discussion tactic.

            VISOR:

            • no proof it can match the visible spectrum of human eyes, in spite of your lies and unfounded assumptions
            • causes pain and headaches
            • can malfunction
            • can get lost or stolen
            • can be exploited by romulan intelligence to turn you into zombie

            no reasonable person consider that superior to human eyes, which is why there weren’t people standing in line to gouge their eyes out and replace them with visor.

            i don’t plan to run in circles with you until xmas, so bye and welcome to my blocklist

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              You made statements that I disproved (e.g. that human brains are incapable of processing anything not in the visible light spectrum), then you became aggressive that I did so.

              • no proof it can match the visible spectrum of human eyes, in spite of your lies and unfounded assumptions

              Yes there is.

              • causes pain and headaches

              Rarely, but yes. So can normal eyes though.

              • can malfunction

              See above.

              • can get lost or stolen

              Yep.

              • can be exploited by romulan intelligence to turn you into zombie

              Yep.

              None of that means they’re objectively inferior.

              Geordi wanted to keep his visor and bionic eyes.