Everyone seems to make this excuse for using Meta like it’s no possible without meta. They’re a piece of shit company, we shouldn’t be making excuses to stick around.
Come up with a reasonable replacement product, and do it through an ethical company, and people might switch. But you’re not gonna convince people to give up the convenience they’ve relied on for a decade without a really good reason, and “this company is evil” is way too esoteric for most people.
Companies have forced everyone else out of what was previously a functioning non-commercial space. We have more choices than “evil company” vs “nothing”
That’s all well and good to say to me, cuz i agree with you, but that line is useless to someone who is on a social media platform because others are, and it is easy, and what they know.
These extra choices, the free ones… They gonna work as well as what they’re using? No. We’re not talking about netsavvy folks here. Can you rephrase your previous comment into one that is convincing for someone like that?
Hell, related topic: even Lemmy.world, the largest instance i know of is affiliated with Meta in some way. Do you block Lemmy world? I don’t. I used to but was missing too much. So who would i be talking down to these folks?
Facebook is the absolute worst of the worst though. They have proven time and time again that they will always be as anti-consumer as the law allows - and then some. It only takes a peek at their wikipedia page to see how true this is.
Oh come on, that’s like “all politicians lie”. There is “I record every millisecond of your private life to sell to anybody with a fat enough wallet” evil and there is “I am raising prices this year because I can” evil. The two are not the same.
If it’s unclear, this is a hypothetical conversation between me and a Facebook user. Is there something you could say to an existing Facebook user to get them to change? Context is “convincing, effective arguments”.
Social media has barely been around for 20 years, we kept in contact with those we wanted to just fine before it.
But now with social media you’re in contact with all of them all the time, even the ones you aren’t particularly excited to see once a year on the holidays.
I actually tried to use marketplace a few weeks ago. It was an unmitigated disaster. People either didn’t respond, had stale posts for items, or couldn’t get their act together to have a conversation (even with 12 hours between messages) about how to get shit out of their house. I have never yearned for old-fashioned yard sales so much.
Everyone seems to make this excuse for using Meta like it’s no possible without meta. They’re a piece of shit company, we shouldn’t be making excuses to stick around.
Come up with a reasonable replacement product, and do it through an ethical company, and people might switch. But you’re not gonna convince people to give up the convenience they’ve relied on for a decade without a really good reason, and “this company is evil” is way too esoteric for most people.
Good point, and to push their argument further… what company isn’t? If they used that rebuttal i would have nothing to say.
Companies have forced everyone else out of what was previously a functioning non-commercial space. We have more choices than “evil company” vs “nothing”
That’s all well and good to say to me, cuz i agree with you, but that line is useless to someone who is on a social media platform because others are, and it is easy, and what they know.
These extra choices, the free ones… They gonna work as well as what they’re using? No. We’re not talking about netsavvy folks here. Can you rephrase your previous comment into one that is convincing for someone like that?
Hell, related topic: even Lemmy.world, the largest instance i know of is affiliated with Meta in some way. Do you block Lemmy world? I don’t. I used to but was missing too much. So who would i be talking down to these folks?
Facebook is the absolute worst of the worst though. They have proven time and time again that they will always be as anti-consumer as the law allows - and then some. It only takes a peek at their wikipedia page to see how true this is.
Oh come on, that’s like “all politicians lie”. There is “I record every millisecond of your private life to sell to anybody with a fat enough wallet” evil and there is “I am raising prices this year because I can” evil. The two are not the same.
If it’s unclear, this is a hypothetical conversation between me and a Facebook user. Is there something you could say to an existing Facebook user to get them to change? Context is “convincing, effective arguments”.
I can’t convince all my acquaintances in my group chats to switch platform.
They don’t got a goddamn phone to SMS with???
Let me guess, you still use Twitter too
They don’t have email?
It’s 2024. People don’t socialize over email anymore.
Social media has barely been around for 20 years, we kept in contact with those we wanted to just fine before it. But now with social media you’re in contact with all of them all the time, even the ones you aren’t particularly excited to see once a year on the holidays.
But… But… Marketplace something something
I actually tried to use marketplace a few weeks ago. It was an unmitigated disaster. People either didn’t respond, had stale posts for items, or couldn’t get their act together to have a conversation (even with 12 hours between messages) about how to get shit out of their house. I have never yearned for old-fashioned yard sales so much.
I’ve used Marketplace many times without issue.