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      I know nothing about Vaush, but I do know abut Aaron Swartz. In this archived page he argued for legalizing the possession and distribution (not sure if that contains production) of child porn since “We don’t arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed” and all you need to get arrested is click on a download link or join an online group (no matter whether or not you delete it or if you knew it was child porn). He also says something about it not being abuse before arguing that.

      Honestly I’m not sure what to think about that, but it still makes me think OP’s meme was put out to slander groups through strawmen. It does not help that I can’t figure out which parts of OP’s meme are satire.

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      Hence the double quotes I suspect.

      If you don’t know him, that person is a ytuber called Vaush - having only a couple of videos of him he strikes me as one of the most untruthful people on this planet.

      He is a radlib who tries to argue on the basis on marx’ and lenins work to “vote blue no matter who”. I’ve seen him claim Marx today would’ve been a Biden staffer for example. He also is unable to see the programmatic imperialism behind neoliberal concepts such as free trade agreements like NAFTA and defends these conceptually. He effectively hordes socialist leaning youths back into supporting the status quo so I wouldn’t wonder if one day it is revealed that the FBI secretly funds him

      I think he is said to have pleaded for the legalization of consensual sexual relationships with underaged children, hence the reference.

      Edit: No idea if he actually defended pedophilia. Personally I wouldn’t think that he meant it. I am not an expert on Vaush (luckily) I only mentioned the accusations bc it is what tripped up the commenter.

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        We are clearly not going to have a good discussion. Especially if you’re going to so casually make up something as significant as saying he defends pedophilia.

        Too often people on the right throw around “pedophile” at the drop of a hat, and it’s absolutely disgusting.

        I’m also failing to understand what any of this has to do with vegans.

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          Unfortunately, that user is not lying.

          On top of everything else, Vaush engages in ableist, racist, transphobic, and sexist language, unapologetically.

          He’s a genuine piece of excrement

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            I can’t say anything about the rest as I have not watched him in quite a long time, however, an accusation as serious as “he’s a pedophile/defends pedophiles” requires concrete evidence. Neither of you have provided it yet, but I am very open to seeing it if you have any. I have no strong feelings about the dude. I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib” and just casually go “I think they’re a pedophile” as if that isn’t arguably the single worst thing you can accuse someone of.

            Again though: what does any of this have to do with being vegan in the first place?

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              It’s pretty well known and easy to verify, but I have no interest in googling this reprehensible being. If you’ve listened to him in the past, then I do wish you a swift recovery. Cheers.

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                  Oh get off your high horse. You’re well aware that everything I said is accurate. I simply don’t respect you enough to engage with you further.

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              I just don’t trust people (like the person above) who […] casually go “I think they’re a pedophile”

              Oof, dude you make me feel bad for giving you a good faithed response after your first comment.

              For someone who urges to be careful with accusations you are pretty grossly misrepresenting my comment here

              non-ironically throw around terms like “radlib”

              I don’t throw it around like Vaush throws around “red-fascist”, “tankie”, “antisemite” and every other slur , I use it specifically for someone who draws upon radical aesthetic in the abstract but supports the capitalist, imperialist status-quo in the specific.

              You can chose to be offended by that, but Vaush is the definition of a radlib

              Honestly I have only ever used it for him. Thinking of it I might use “Vaushite” in the future which has the added benefit of visually representing the fact that his disingenious output is nothing but a thin layer around “shit”

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                Honestly I’m not very concerned with the dude. What it sounds like to me is that he’s engaging in the same behavior I don’t like. But it doesn’t make him a pedophile is my point. And yes you did not accuse him, but to say what you said in this context is to kind of play into that assertion, whether it is your intention or not. Also I was talking about the person above you, not you, in case that wasn’t clear. Though in that other comment where I said you were making the accusation I had gotten tripped up about who I was talking to, so that was my mistake.

                I think it’s important to point out that we have now entered a debate about a random YouTuber/twitch personality, someone I don’t really have any opinions on anyway, when the original offense in this post is that this person equated being a leftist with wanting to legalize child porn, all in a post that is just rage bait about vegans. Clearly you see the issue here, right?

                I would rather us return to that issue instead of getting bogged down in whether you think I like Vaush, which I don’t. I know little about him other then people are using some really out of context stuff it seems in order to make him sound like he defends and endorses child porn, and then, for some odd reason that is now being expanded into “leftists are pedophiles who defend child porn.” I’d say it’s utterly bizarre but frankly it’s just malicious and gross of OP.

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      It’s from a clip of that steamer taken out of context.

      Or more accurately clipped in such a way to make what he said be the opposite of the point he was making.

      Basically he was debating someone and was saying that the exploitation of children is wrong in all aspects. He phrased his point poorly and it was clipped.

      The streamer (Vaush) is actually pretty based on a lot of things.

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    I find it amusing that people’s obnoxious desire to be a White Saviour extends even to animals. It is now doubly funny that vegans appear to be cozying up to fascists in their mad quest. Definitely paints veganism in a good light.