I’m new to this idea and a Google girl so I’m interested in learning more. I’m not good with tech, but if it’s necessary I’ll do it as much as I can.

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    Thanks so much! How many people actually believed in it? How prevalent was the blackmarket? And how safe did people feel?

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      How prevalent was the blackmarket?

      Officially, everyone with the same job description had the same wages. This resulted in everyone becoming a slacker. So what eventually developed as a public secret, was that factories tolerated “theft” by the good employees.

      So the person working in the canning factory brought home tins of food every month, which they would sell and/or trade. The boss could claim, and the books would show, that everyone has the same wages.

      This is not limited to labour. Public administrators, for example, would be tolerated to put some people ahead of others for housing/holliday/etc, and they would ask for a fee.

      It was a large, well known taboo that everyone, even party members participated in.

      How many people actually believed in it? And how safe did people feel?

      I can’t speak for the early days. By the time I was born everyone I knew recognized it for what it was: the state as a weaponized tool to steal from and hurt others. An in-group of people decided how much equality and solidarity you deserve. You scratch their back, they grant you their leftovers.

      Lots of the stasi files on people were shredded, and are intentionally slow being reconstructed, as they hope most people will be dead before they can read their own file. But estimates are that around 1-in-3 people were informants for the stasi. These are often neighbours, aunts, coworkers, …

      It was dog-eat-dog, and outside a small bubble you never fully trusted someone. Even then, no guarantees, as the schooling system (tried to) radicalize children into informing about their parents. The teacher would get benefits for each successfull “catch”.

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        Of course! It’s not just a black market, employers need to give incentives to work hard. And it encourages government bribes.

        And yes, however noble the idea, the kind of people attracted to powerful positions often aren’t nice people.

        Trusting nobody is a hard way to live. How did the DDR effect you long term?

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          Trusting nobody is a hard way to live. How did the DDR effect you long term?

          Quite bad tbh. We managed to emigrate in 98. But the distrust in others, what can you say to who, etc stayed as a reflex that requires cognitive recognition, and therapy, to lessen. I think of it like a light version of split personality.

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            I get that totally. Things learned in childhood are hard to unlearn. Thanks for sharing it’s interesting and made me sure I want to start degoogling. I do NOT want to give people that power over me