Easy, don’t use Zuckerbot crap
Not easy when all my friends and family use it
Also my friends and Family, but this is why I don’t use this shit, I can also communicate with them, better still, with a simple call, perhaps with an SMS (yes, it still exists) or directly in person, accompanied with some beers.
Me too
And in other parts of the world where it’s just a standard. I was surprised when I saw WhatsApp numbers on advertisements with the WhatsApp logo. Hard not to be on WhatsApp in those places.
I’m just gonna say, end to end encryption is jack shit when they can just access the content at the source, analyze it with local rules and call sending to meta how often you talk about a certain topic and with whom telemetry
Or for that matter you could just not properly encrypt it
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Not if you have friends.
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I don’t forget what it’s like to be 15, because I had a great childhood, but I also grew up and started doing crazy things like moving out, renting a home, etc, and if your landlord requires you to download WhatsApp, or any other app to communicate, you do it. Otherwise you’ll find yourself on the street, messaging yourself on Signal lmao.
My landlord told me to download WhatsApp and I just said “nah I use email”. Super easy cleared up in 5 seconds.
Not that simple, unfortunately :( The problem is that one particular vendor (Meta) controls the client - the app - to the service (Whatsapp). Right now we can only hope that Signal doesn’t add this kind of feature. There are already cryptocurrency features in the Signal app of dubious utility.
And that’s why European Union introduced the Digital Markets Act. By March 2024, Meta will need to give a way for third party clients to communicate with WhatsApp users in 1-to-1 chats. Group chats will probably follow 2 years after.
End-to-end encryption is the best possible safeguard against Meta snooping on your data.
This has always been my biggest pet peeve with WhatsApp. Yes, they might encrypt it all and the encryption might be practically unbreakable, but what worries me is what Meta might do with the private encryption keys. Lem me elaborate further.
I’ll start by trying to explain how key-based encryption, the type of encryption WhatsApp uses, work at their core, for those who don’t know (THIS IS GOING TO BE AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION). Imagine you want a friend to send you a message with super sensitive contents. Here’s what you do to guarantee that no one else can read it but you:
- First, you generate two keys, which are pretty much two really big numbers. One will be called the public key and the other one will be the private key.
- Then, you go to the person who wants to send you stuff and say “Hey John, remember that really important message you wanted to send me? Take my public key and make sure you cypher your message using it”.
- Once you receive the message, you decypher it using the private key. Using the private key is the only way you can read this message. You can’t use the public key for it because it won’t work.
This means that, if someone else manages to get the encrypted message, they will need the private key to read what it says, but they don’t have it, only you have it. The only thing they can do keep guessing what that key is until they find what it was and read the message, but that can take up to millions of years, even using supercomputers.
As you can see, this works really well for sending messages without anyone but the sender and the reciever knowing what is being said, and that’s why it’s so used in encrypted message apps…
…but what if Meta has access to the private keys? I mean, what if, after WhatsApp creating the public and private keys for messaging, the private key is retrieved and stored in Meta’s servers, making them able to read all the messages you receive?
Can someone with more experience in the subject say if my concerns are valid?
I have never believed Facebook when they’ve said they don’t have the ability to see your messages. There’s no proof of that whatsoever. And it’s fucking FACEBOOK.
I would be SHOCKED if they didn’t have access to private keys.
I think that would just be illegal, although I am not certain… maybe it’s not
What I’d be more worried about personally is metadata. Sure, they might not know what you sent, but they know who you sent it to and when. The data is generally just gonna be “Oh, this person texts their mum every morning”, but Meta already provided message contents in an abortion case, so what if someone is accused of having an abortion (the fact that you can be “accused” of that now in the US is still fucked up imo, but that’s besides the point) and then Meta provides info that this teenager sent WhatsApp messages to a medical professional who can perform abortions. That would obviously not work as well as the contents themselves, but it does have value to the legal case.
In the end none of us have anything to hide… until we suddenly do
I know this wasn’t argued here, but I’d like to make it clear anyways: You don’t have to deal drugs or be a hired killer to want privacy. There are a bunch of reasons you could get in trouble with the government which fall into morally ambiguous areas. And sometimes we just don’t want our entire life being analyzed to have an algorithm decide what advertisement is the most effective in getting us to click on it.
I never expected that they’d put generative AI in WhatsApp, like, why???
It’s one of those things that everyone will be crazy about for a week and then… poof, it will just become irrelevant, because it doesn’t really add anything substantial to what the chat app is already good for: chatting with our fellow humans.
Maybe it’s Zucc’s way to get us acquainted with treating bots like humans, so one day he can finally come out as a robot and be accepted by the wider societyThis is why proprietary messaging solutions are bad for both freedom and privacy. You are stuck with antifeatures and you have no way of truely verifying privacy
That’s a lost fight, at least in my circle and in my circles’s circles. It was already difficult to move some of them to Signal and Telegram but even then, they kept using Whatsapp.
It should be managed at nation /European Union level, they should forbid this shit.
WhatsApp seems to be something only foreigners and drug dealers use in my experience. What’s the appeal?
‘Foreigners’ to where? The US?
I don’t use WhatsApp at all, but it irks me when ‘foreigner’ is used on the internet as if ‘we’ are all in a single country.
You’re a foreigner to me.
Yes. I am a foreigner to you. I’m saying, people who emigrate here seem to use it. I’m sorry I didn’t type out “people who emigrate here” and used a shorthand term, hopefully someday you can forgive me.
Where is here? You never said where you’re talking about.
It’s okay, you’ll get over not having the answer to where a stranger lives on a thread that’s a week old.
You know, when you’re one of those foreigners whose peers all exclusively use WhatsApp, be it child or grandparent, that’s a pretty big appeal. To me, you’re the weird foreigner who doesn’t use WhatsApp ;)
Fair enough, I’m just saying locally no one uses it except really sketchy people who get weird looks when they ask if anyone has it. It’s pretty much either Facebook Messenger or Snapchat around these parts.
Facebook Messenger or Snapchat
…that’s somehow worse than WhatsApp.
I never said that? I don’t even know what it looks like because it’s so uncommon here, lol.
